EP. S2E72 — The Golden Bachelor Finale w/ Laci Mosley

Ashley Ray: Welcome to TV, I Say with Ashley Ray–your go-to podcast for discovering what to watch on TV and getting you closer to the TV shows you love. I’m Ashley Ray, a comedian, writer, and former TV critic. And each week, my friends, fellow comedians, actors, and writers will drop by to dive into the best TV shows we’re all talking about right now. All right. Let’s get into it. Yes. Laci, welcome back to TV Club. Listeners, you know Laci Mosley. You know her from Scam Goddess–one of my favorite things. You can hear us on there.

Laci Mosley: Yeah, you have been a lot. You’ve been so much that you flew out to Chicago.

Ashley Ray: Went to Chicago to talk about Jussie. Did the episodes on Shaun King. Both of those two people–just iconic hustlers who the world will never forget. They won’t let us. They won’t let go. And God bless them for that. God bless them for that. Shaun, whatever your next game is, I can’t wait for it. Also, you know the iCarly revival and A Black Lady Sketch Show… Laci, you’re so funny. I love you and everything you do. Thank you for joining us today. We are going to be talking all things Golden Bachelor finale. Are you ready for this?

Laci Mosley: Oh, my body is ready. Thank you for having me. You know, I’ve been going up about the Golden Bachelor since the incubation. When I started it, it just emotionally rocked me in a way that no reality television show has in a very long time. I wasn’t prepared to just sob so deeply.

Ashley Ray: Deeply–immediately. Just, like, every other person is like, “I’m a widow. I lost the love of my life.” And I am just in tears. And it was this beautiful show. And we get to the finale. And it all, to me, came just tumbling down. Everything fell apart.

Laci Mosley: Like a ton of bricks.

Ashley Ray: I didn’t shed a single tear in this finale.

Laci Mosley: Shout out to the editors of The Bachelor because when I say y’all scammed me, y’all bamboozled a bitch real good. And we’ll be talking. I know you’re going to take us on a journey, Ashley. I’m not going to get ahead of myself. But I do want to say that The Bachelor–y’all need to take notes and never have anybody on this show ever again who don’t got AARP card because I don’t want to see it. I don’t want to see no more bad bitches and who’s-your-daddies who are just coming on the show because they want to sell tea on Instagram. Those young hotties don’t want to find love. They’re trying to find fame.

Ashley Ray: We need people who are truly looking for love, which is what the case is this season. Or that’s what it seemed like. Everything we heard about Gerry was: “Oh, his wife died. They had bought the house of their dreams. And he’s just been alone ever since, waiting for the love of his life to come.” And that was what kind of made this show good because it was like, “Wow, he’s finally getting back out there and doing it.” And then the day before the finale was supposed to come out, an article drops on The Hollywood Reporter that is a deep dive teardown like. Like, Gerry made somebody mad. A reporter out there was like, “I am coming for you,” doing a deep dive profile that’s like, “Gerry has lied about everything.”

Laci Mosley: What? I didn’t see this!

Ashley Ray: So, this was another thing that added to people being upset. So, the first thing was that in the vacation episode with the suite, Gerry said that he thought both of the contestants could be the one–Theresa and Leslie. And of course, viewers were like, “Well, come on. Pick a side, bro.” And then this article comes out that shows Gerry kind of lied about his job. But I put this on the show. The show is always being like, “Oh, this person isn’t just a coach, they’re an entrepreneur.”

Laci Mosley: “They’re an astronaut with millions.” They’re always, like, so rich.

Ashley Ray: And it’s like, in reality, he owned a fast-food place in the 80s and then he sold it and retired. And then he, like, did some odd handyman jobs.

Laci Mosley: That makes sense to me because he has a scraggly lion tattoo on his arm.

Ashley Ray: Yeah.

Laci Mosley: And it was giving, like, it was on the wall at the tattoo parlor. And he was like, “That one.”

Ashley Ray: Yes. He’s going with the flow. If a friend is like, “Yeah, you want to come do some handyman stuff in my office?” He’s like, “Yeah, bro. I’ll come hang.” So, they tried to call this a lie and say, “Oh, he said he’s this rich guy. But really he had jobs.” But also, they pulled that information from his LinkedIn profile. So, I don’t think he’s trying to hide it if it’s just on there. But then the rest of the article tells us that actually Gerry has not been single all these years. A month after his wife died, he started dating another woman. They were together for, like, two years. She lived with him for a year and a half.

Laci Mosley: Okay. So that makes sense to me because Gerry is a man. And because I wanted to believe in the whimsy of the love and that– You know what it was? It was the women all being widowers. And I knew they wanted to go half on a funeral plot. I wanted to believe that Gerry was just spending six years just stroking the photo of his dead wife, being alone. But he’s a man.

Ashley Ray: No, he’s a man. He’s a boomer man in Indiana who was living alone in a lake house.

Laci Mosley: And you know all the older women in Indiana were bringing casseroles over right after the service. He was getting coochie right after the funeral.

Ashley Ray: And he was. And basically, he met this girl he worked with. She was, like, 14 years younger. And they show the texts. It’s like Gerry being, like, “How often does an old geezer like me get the hot young babe?” and all this stuff. She’s like, “You swept me off my feet.” “And then after a year, he asked me to move in with him and give up my job. So, I did.” And Gerry had a lot of rules. Once she decided to move in, he was like, “So actually, by the way, your monthly expenses are going to be $1,000.” And she negotiated that down to 800. So good girl.

Laci Mosley: Excuse me. When he say “your monthly expenses,” he meant that he was going to have to pay him?

Ashley Ray: Him. Yes.

Laci Mosley: Money?

Ashley Ray: Money.

Laci Mosley: When he asked her to move in?

Ashley Ray: To move in. Yes. And quit her job.

Laci Mosley: So, he’s like a reverse hobosexual.

Ashley Ray: He truly was like, “Move in.”

Laci Mosley: As a roommate?

Ashley Ray: Yeah. “And come and pay me $800 a month to live here.”

Laci Mosley: Well, that’s news.

Ashley Ray: Yeah. And he gives the vibe on the show of being like, “I got you girl. I’ll take care of you. You’re not going to have to move in and split rent.” She also shares that he also agreed that they would split every meal or event they went out to, 50/50, unless it was a special occasion, like a holiday or, you know, an anniversary. So, when they would go to a restaurant, she would have to pay ahead. And then they would ask for the check, and he would pay the whole thing, so he could, like, you know, not be seen asking to split the check. So, she’s like, “We did that for a whole year. I would pay ahead.”

Laci Mosley: Oh, my goodness. This is tracking to some stuff that Theresa said that I’ll share later.

Ashley Ray: Right? Exactly. It all sets itself up, and you’re like, “Okay.” and then the way they ended up breaking up is that Gerry was getting ready to go to his high school reunion. And, you know, he had asked this girl to go. She says yes. And then a week before, he’s like, “You know what? I’m not actually going to take you looking like that because you’ve gained weight.” And she had gained, like, 15 pounds. And so, he wouldn’t take her, and he went alone. And she was like, “That was the final straw. So, I ended it. But then because I had been paying to live there and I was dealing with all this stuff, I took time to move out.” And as she was moving out, she, like, fell and broke her leg. And she was like, “Can I get another week to stay? I have a broken leg. I need surgery.” And Gerry was like, “I think you broke your leg on purpose so you can stay.”

Laci Mosley: Because, you know, people will be breaking their legs.

Ashley Ray: Who doesn’t want to stay with the man who’s making you split 50/50 on everything? And so, he put her in a hotel. He did give her one more week and then put her in a hotel. And that was the end of their relationship. And he apparently was very nice at the breakup. He was like, “I wish this had worked out.” But, you know, she kind of just let it go and moved on until the show happened. And then she started realizing they were going to act like she didn’t exist. And everybody in their hometown was like, “What? We all know you lived with him. We all saw it.” And she was like, “Okay, this is a little ridiculous.”

Laci Mosley: And they were like, “It doesn’t fit our narrative at The Bachelor that you kicked out a broken leg woman that you charged rent.”

Ashley Ray: Who was 14 years younger than you. You charged rent.

Laci Mosley: Could you imagine if they were like, “Gerry was widowed,” and they have him, like, staring off his balcony? “He lives alone now that he kicked out his two-year girlfriend that he met a month after his wife’s death that he kicked out because he said she was too fat and had a broken leg.” That don’t sound that romantic.

Ashley Ray: Who he made prepay for every meal! That’s the part I’m just like, “Gerry…” So that that’s the context we have as we go into what’s supposed to be a beautiful, moving finale. And let’s just start with what were your initial thoughts? What did you think?

Laci Mosley: Well, they gagged me because they set it all up like it was going to be Leslie. So, I was gags. I will say that. The hometowns, I thought, were interesting because obviously the grandchildren really loved Leslie. And I think that was in part because Leslie was a baddy. And they were like, “Oh, this is a young baddy that we can–”

Ashley Ray: “This is Fun Grandma.”

Laci Mosley: “Yeah, this is Gammy. Like, Gammy is going to run around with us and take us shopping.”

Ashley Ray: “And want to go places and do stuff.” I’ve been Team Leslie from the beginning.

Laci Mosley: Yeah. And I know she had the two failed, you know, divorces and everything.

Ashley Ray: Yeah. But she dated Prince, so…

Laci Mosley: I mean, right. She lived.

Ashley Ray: Yeah. She’s had a life.

Laci Mosley: When you date Prince, I feel like you could just be like, “All right, well, I did it.”

Ashley Ray: “Yeah, I did it. Who I marry–whatever.”

Laci Mosley: “And you’re still sexy as hell. So, Leslie, get out there and shag a feather, you know?” But then also, Theresa, like… My whole life, I’ve kind of felt like Theresa, where it’s like I was trying a little too hard. Theresa said “I love you” first to Gerry. Whereas Gerry said “I love you” first to Leslie. And so, I was like, “My whole life, I should have been a Leslie when I was being a Theresa.” Now, I don’t say “I love you” first, but I just feel like I was trying too hard to show my value to people. And everything was saying in the show that Theresa wasn’t going to get chosen. And I was like, “Man, I feel bad because I feel like such a Theresa. This is why I never get chosen.”

Ashley Ray: Yeah, Theresa gives, like, she’s going to try to cook you dinner on second date vibes. “We’re not really that serious, girl. Why you bringing me over to your house, trying to cook me fried chicken?”

Laci Mosley: Exactly. And in the episode previous when they went on the, like, waterfall thing with Leslie, I noticed that Gerry was jumping faster so that he could be underneath Leslie and make sure she was okay. And then when they went on the horse thing with Theresa, Theresa was trotting behind Gerry. And Gerry just didn’t even give a fuck. He was like, “You good back there.”

Ashley Ray: And she was just like, “It’s a little scary, but I guess it’s okay because I can see him.” And I was like, “He’s not looking at you. He is going.”

Laci Mosley: They went into the creek, and they were in the rocks. And she was like, “Oh no, I feel like I’m about to fall off this bitch.” Gerry was like, “La, la, la.”

Ashley Ray: “Yeah, you’re good.”

Laci Mosley: And I was like, “Oh, that’s me. Maybe I need to, like, let somebody take care of me and not be a Theresa.” And now I’m thinking, like, damn. Knowing what you just told me about this article, I’m like, “Damn. Maybe I do need to be a Leslie because if you do get chosen as a Theresa, that’s not going to be great.”

Ashley Ray: After reading the article, it’s like, “Oh. I see why he picked Theresa.”

Laci Mosley: Because at the end I was thinking, “You know what? Maybe I should keep being a Theresa.” But that article–you just changed my whole life with that shit because I’ve been working on being a Leslie. And I was thinking after watching, “Maybe I should keep being a Theresa.” But you telling me that article, I’m like, “My inclination was right. I am a fucking Leslie, and that’s what I need to be.”

Ashley Ray: Be a Leslie.

Laci Mosley: Anybody who’s trying to get a Theresa–they got some intentions.

Ashley Ray: They wanted Theresa; they’re going to be asking you to split every meal. You never get a free Starbucks.

Laci Mosley: I’ll point out some other shit about that. But those were my thoughts.

Ashley Ray: Leslie–I think that she’s really, to me, the winner of the season.

Laci Mosley: But the daughters? Knowing that their dad ain’t shit and being like, “Oh, well, we don’t think that Leslie is ready for marriage,” because Leslie was like, “Oh, well, you know, we can meet in a middle like Missouri and where you’re from. And we could do this.” She said she wasn’t leaving her family and uprooting her life. Theresa said, “Fuck my family! Where we living at, Gerry?”

Ashley Ray: “Where we need to go?”

Laci Mosley: “I’m going to be on that porch every day, cooking you breakfast and sucking your dick.” And I’m going to mop up. And I got my job.”

Ashley Ray: “You want to fish all day? Whatever you want, baby.” And that’s why it’s kind of interesting. At the end, they tell us that Theresa and Gerry have not moved in together–that they’re still in separate locations–but talking every day, which I was a little shocked by. But apparently, they are going to get married as soon as possible in January on TV.

Laci Mosley: And film it.

Ashley Ray: And film it. But I’m a little like, “Theresa, what happened that you all of a sudden were so eager to move in? What happened? Why haven’t you? What went down? Did he list out your expenses, and the bill was too high? What happened?”

Laci Mosley: And what’s curious to me, too, is that she didn’t tell her sisters that she was engaged until the TV show. So, what’s that about?

Ashley Ray: What is that about? There’s just a lot of fishiness. The whole season I felt weird about Theresa.

Laci Mosley: Why are you going through with the wedding then, babes”

Ashley Ray: Yeah. Why are you going through with the wedding? The whole time she was starting, like, weird, unnecessary drama. She was, like, jealous of people. It was clear she was, like, trying to, like, psych out other girls. She would, like, whine to Gerry in weird ways. And I think eventually he just kind of… Well, she says that she knocked his boots off with her kisses and that’s why he knew immediately.

Laci Mosley: Theresa strikes me as somebody who knows how to bang. Don’t knock down a seasoned bitch in the sheets, okay? She learned some things in that 70 years. She probably know how to do the walk.

Ashley Ray: And that’s what I think it was. I think she was doing some wild stuff in there that he was like, “Oh…”

Laci Mosley: He hadn’t seen in Indiana.

Ashley Ray: Yeah. He was like, “She knows how to hold it down.” And I think he said, “I feel like Theresa knows what to do to maintain a relationship.” And I was like, “She knows how to fuck good is what you’re saying. When she breaks her leg and you’re mad at her, you are going to be like, ‘Oh, but, you know, she is going to give me blowjobs, so…’”

Laci Mosley: Then she’ll make you some eggs afterwards.

Ashley Ray: She will. Leslie? Don’t feel bad, Leslie. So, we have these family visits. During Leslie’s family visit, pretty much the whole time, she’s like, “I’m really connecting with this family. But Gerry seems a bit off. Something seems off about him. He’s not being as nice as he was, you know, just yesterday.” And then they have a little one on one moment. And, you know, she’s really trying to connect. She gives him a gift–this little handmade book of, like, their moments on the show together.

Laci Mosley: That the producers made.

Ashley Ray: That the producers made. Like, she went and got this made at the store, and the producers just added some screenshots. And he truly just looks at it, and he’s like, “Wow, this is adorable.” It’s so clear at this point he’s not into Leslie anymore.

Laci Mosley: It’s called love bombing.

Ashley Ray: It’s called love bombing. She says, “I love you.” He says, “That’s a beautiful sentiment” after being the one to say it to Leslie. She says it, and he goes, “That’s a beautiful sentiment.” She keeps pulling. She’s like, “You mean so much to me.” And he’s like, “It really makes me happy to hear you say that.” And then he looks at her and goes, “Be happy.”

Laci Mosley: That was so gross. And that’s the thing about people like Gerry. Love bombing– And that’s what he did to her. He’s a perfect person for The Bachelor because he is a love bomber by nature. He was doing that shit before he even got on the show. And so, he’s the perfect candidate because he genuinely is a love bomber. So that’s what they want because they’re like, “We need you to fall in love real quick on TV.”

Ashley Ray: And then they thought he was this really genuine, old guy. So, they believe it. They’re like, “Oh, he would never just, like, love bomb me. He really does– Like, this is the first time he’s had feelings like this since his wife died.” And it’s like, “Girl, he’s like all these girlfriends. You don’t even know.”

Laci Mosley: And honestly, that’s why he made perfect reality TV because you’re thinking, because of the age, that they’re speeding things along because they’re like, “We don’t have much time. So, we gotta get to the point,” when really, we’re just dealing with a love bombing, ain’t shit motherfucker. But the age of it all has disguised it for us. And we’re thinking of the widow thing because we’re like, “Well, if his wife was alive, he would still be with his wife.” Who knows what kind of hell he was putting his wife through? We don’t know. His daughters know.

Ashley Ray: They know. I would love to hear what they think about, you know… Was mama splitting meals? What was her expense bill for the month? Like, how was that going down?

Laci Mosley: What was she saying to them grown ass daughters? I’m sure they love their daddy, but they know who their daddy is.

Ashley Ray: Exactly. And it seems that way from their kind of reactions in the show. I didn’t like what they had to say about Leslie, but I felt like they kind of knew Theresa is the kind of woman who our dad looks for–who, like, will do kind of what he says.

Laci Mosley: Put up with that shit.

Ashley Ray: Put up with that shit. He is, like, an old man from Indiana. He has misogynistic tendencies. Like, come on.

Laci Mosley: He ain’t going to change. He’s that kind of old where you’re like, “Aw. He’s from a different time.”

Ashley Ray: And Theresa seems like the type who’s going to be like, “He’s right. I have put on three pounds. I really should be watching it.”

Laci Mosley: She was rail thin. If you’re that thin on TV? And that’s why her face looked like that because she had no fat left to distribute. But I saw that she got her face did–her teeth. Theresa said, “I’m gonna come back baddy down.”

Ashley Ray: She was like, “I won the show. Let me go fix myself up.”

Laci Mosley: She looks good. She got a keratin treatment. She had her little hairpieces in. She had her teeth did. She got her face filled out. She looked fantastic.

Ashley Ray: She does.

Laci Mosley: I mean, mamma mia.

Ashley Ray: You know, like, she played the game. She won. I can’t fault her for that. And I’m happy Leslie didn’t because Leslie deserves better. I just feel like Gerry owed us, the audience and Leslie, a bit more debate about it. Like, he truly slept with Theresa, and that was it. He woke up the next day and was like, “I’m not even going to pretend to try with Leslie.”

Laci Mosley:  I don’t think it was about the coochie, though. I really think it was the hometown when the daughters said, “Leslie isn’t ready to get married. And Theresa is.” I think that’s when the light switch flipped because he–just like when he loved bombed the lady in Indiana and was like, “Move into my house and start paying my bills”–he knew Theresa was thirsty because she was on that Ferris wheel and was like, “I love you, Gerry!” And, like, she was doing her complaints. She was trying to get rid of the other bitch, and she was thirsty for him. She was, like, desert, “I haven’t had a drink in weeks” thirsty for him. And that gave him comfort. Whereas Leslie was a normal human being who actually liked him and wanted him. And so, he love bombed her because he was trying to get her to start putting in more effort so he could feel comfortable with her. But she a bad bitch, and he wasn’t comfortable with a bitch that bad. He want to know that the bitch is going to be at home in the bed with no other options. You’re telling me that Prince was fucking on you? Oh, no. That’s too bad of a bitch for Gerry.

Ashley Ray: That’s too much. Okay. She will rock his world.

Laci Mosley: And he’s going to take her to Indiana, and all the other old men are going to be lusting after her?

Ashley Ray: Yeah.

Laci Mosley: And then she’s going to go home with him. And then she’s going to look around and realize he ain’t shit. And then she’s probably gonna leave. I’m sure he was thinking, too!

Ashley Ray: Exactly. She’s going to get bored. She’s going to get bored with him. She’s going to realize who he is. And she’s going to get over it.

Laci Mosley: And Theresa won’t care.

Ashley Ray: She’s not going to care. And in this moment, when it’s becoming really clear to Leslie, like, “Oh, he’s not into me anymore,” she’s picking at it. She’s like, “Oh, I also want you to be happy. What does that mean?” And instead of trying to have the conversation and just being upfront about it then, Gerry tries to leave. He straight up goes, “Time for me to leave” and just gets up to go. And as they’re, like, having this big goodbye hug, finally she’s the one to be like, “It’s not me. You’re going to pick her.” And he’s like, “Yeah, I’ve decided I’m going to go with Theresa.” And that’s where I’m like, “Give her a full chance.” But, in her words, just the day before, Gerry was again telling her all the “you’re the one,” “I love you.” Like, she didn’t want to say what he said off camera but, like, was making those promises that made it seem like she was going to get picked. And then that’s why she was like, “You lied. Everything you said just 12 hours ago was a lie.” But I think he’s a love bomber. I think you nailed it. He’s been saying those things to all these women. I don’t even believe him when he was, like, crying. And, you know, that clip they show in every commercial where he’s like, “This is the worst dang pain I’ve felt since my wife died.” And I’m just like, “Okay.”

Laci Mosley: “Okay, Gerry.”

Ashley Ray: Because really, it’s like… You knew. You didn’t have the balls to just say it to her. And she had to push the conversation. So, I love that he tried to explain himself, you know, in the live reunion thing they do with the finale. He tries to apologize, and she was like, “I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t accept your apology.” So, thank you, Leslie. I love that.

Laci Mosley: I also kind of wonder if Theresa was sucking on Gerry while they were in the house because when Gerry and Leslie had that date in Episode Seven and they had that kind of clip that was like, “I have a question for you. When’s the last time you had sex?” And he kind of skirts the question like, “Alone or with someone?”

Ashley Ray: Yeah, he had a weird answer. I was like, “Well, alone isn’t sex, Gerry.”

Laci Mosley: That’s masturbation, Gerry.

Ashley Ray: Nobody asked that, Gerry.

Laci Mosley: And Gerry, you’re not that fucking clever. We know men. Y’all stall when you’re trying to get that lie together in your head because your brain don’t move that fast.

Ashley Ray: Because you’re like, “Were the cameras there? Did they catch us?”

Laci Mosley: And so maybe Theresa–because, you know, she was doing her subterfuge–maybe she made some little hints that she would knock some boots because she would do that.

Ashley Ray: She would throw it down. I absolutely believe she would.

Laci Mosley: When she said she had a good job and she would quit it or do whatever.

Ashley Ray: Yeah.

Laci Mosley: And 401(k) is still for them. So, he’s thinking about what she’s got to bring to the table.

Ashley Ray: Yeah, they getting real retirement money up there. So, you know, she played the game well. She got that man if that’s the man she wants. But at that point, the finale is pretty much done. Like, there isn’t this big reason to walk Leslie down the aisle. She’s like, “Hey, I clearly see that I’ve lost here.” Her goodbye to me was better than anything with Theresa and Gerry.

Laci Mosley: I will say Leslie’s a bad bitch. And I am a Leslie now. I want to be Leslie because I loved when Gerry came back… And part of me wonders if the producers did this out of kindness because these are older people because I’m like, “You cannot bring this woman to the situation that they do with all the young hotties because the young hotties are not really there for love anyway.” They want the heartbreak moment so they can hopefully be the next Bachelorette. So, they’re down to be left at the altar. But the older baddies–I’m like, “We have to bust out the defibrillator if you break their heart.”

Ashley Ray: Get them in a wedding dress and do the whole thing. I’m glad that we aren’t going through that because Leslie truly seems so heartbroken that she was reliving this kind of heartbreak on TV. She was saying, “I’m never picked. This is the story of my life.” And Gerry is like, “No, no, I don’t think that.” She was like, “Fuck you. I can think what I want.”

Laci Mosley: I was clapping.

Ashley Ray: I was like, “Yes, Leslie. You can think what you want right now. You just got your heart broken.”

Laci Mosley: Gang gang. I didn’t like him hugging her. I was like, “Get off of her, you weirdo.”

Ashley Ray: “Get off of her. You’re done.”

Laci Mosley: That was such an ego thing. “Why you trying to console her, like, “Oh, you poor thing. I broke your heart.”

Ashley Ray: “I took a beautiful person and broke their heart.”

Laci Mosley: This is not about you, weirdo. She’s saying she’s upset because you lied to her. First of all, you said “I love you” first. If you said, “I don’t feel like I can say the word love yet,” or if you hadn’t lied to her off camera all night long, then maybe she would have been like, “Oh, well, you know, I could tell the feelings weren’t really there.” And she probably wouldn’t be distraught. But you fucking took all night off camera to lie to her ass and then embarrass her on television. That’s why she’s mad and upset and crying. You’re being a weirdo.

Ashley Ray: You’re a weirdo.

Laci Mosley: Don’t act like it’s like, “I’m so amazing. And now you’re sad because I don’t want you.” Weird, bro.

Ashley Ray: He’s weird. And so, you mentioned, you know, these young people–when they are on the show, usually they want to spin-off and become The Bachelorette. A lot of people are saying they’re going to make a Golden Bachelorette. And the show is setting Leslie up to be that Bachelorette.

Laci Mosley: Oh, she will be so good.

Ashley Ray: She would be so good. And Gerry said a little line in the reunion part where he was like, “Oh, and how you were on the show was so beautiful and amazing that so many men would be interested in you,” which I was like, “Again, very kind of weird thing to say, Gerry. She doesn’t need you to tell her she’s hot.” We know. But it kind of felt like him hinting, “Oh, you’d be a good person for multiple men to date on The Golden Bachelorette.”

Laci Mosley: Maybe he had to say that because I’ll say Theresa’s vows were giving scripted. The way that she said them–her eyes were, like, dead ahead.

Ashley Ray: Like remembering the words on a page.

Laci Mosley: It was like, “Gerry, I love you so much. Since the first time I laid eyes on you at the–page break–rose ceremony. Smile.” And then I did not like that pause he did, like, “I don’t want to live with you.” And then the longest, most awkward pause…

Ashley Ray: Yeah! I was really hoping that was editing or something because I was like, “What is wrong?”

Laci Mosley: It was too pregnant of a pause. Like, even for a bit, it was too long. I was like, “This is weird.”

Ashley Ray: It was just weird. And I’m like, “I don’t really like either of you that much. Let’s just get The Golden Bachelorette going. Let’s just get Leslie on there. I would much rather watch that at this point.” Like, I don’t care about their wedding. Sorry.

Laci Mosley: I’m going to have to call my homegirl after this and tell her that Gerry is a nasty man because I can’t believe this.

Ashley Ray: Yeah, I mean, I bet he’s making Theresa pay 50/50 for the wedding.

Laci Mosley: She better hope ABC got it because if they don’t, she do.

Ashley Ray: I mean, I bet they’re probably thrown out a little bit and he’s still like, “Well, you know, you’re going to have to pay for your own family’s hotels and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.” And she’s probably like, “Okay, Gerry. Okay.”

Laci Mosley: But they are rushing… I mean, obviously for television purposes, the wedding has to be rushed to January. But they are getting married as of–

Ashley Ray: They are getting married.

Laci Mosley: It’s probably already filmed if they’re getting married because it’s December. So, it’s either being filmed now or it is already filmed.

Ashley Ray: Or, yeah, it’s about to happen. They’re doing it, so I guess they really were in love. I mean, who were you rooting for throughout the season?

Laci Mosley: I liked Leslie. I liked Girl #3. So sorry to Girl #3 who left–

Ashley Ray: Faith?

Laci Mosley: Is that her name? She was the third one. I thought she was a real frontrunner. And that’s when I started to be like, “I don’t understand.”

Ashley Ray: That’s when I was like, “I don’t understand” because Faith got the First Impression Rose. They had really similar stories of being widows. They had the day at the diner with the dancing… Almost died together in the car.”

Laci Mosley: I thought that was Theresa!

Ashley Ray: That was Faith. And that’s when she got the First Impression Rose. And that’s why I was like, “Why? How did Theresa end up here?” Like, how was it not Faith and Leslie?

Laci Mosley: Wormed her way to the top.

Ashley Ray: She really did.

Laci Mosley: She pulled a Nancy Reagan.

Ashley Ray: She really did.

Laci Mosley: Because that’s how Nancy got Ronald Reagan. She wasn’t on his radar. And then she kept trying to get with him at the time he was the president of SAG. So, she was sending him letters like, “I know some communists. I know some communists. You got to talk to me.” He was like, “Bitch, leave me alone.” And then she would go to parties and be like, “Hey, Ronald! Hey, Ronald! What’s up? What’s up? What’s up?” And then she started being like, “Hey, let me give you some head or whatever.” And then she was one of his pieces when he got divorced. And then she just kept hanging around.

Ashley Ray: Just hanging out.

Laci Mosley: And then finally she was like, “Alright, let me poke a hole in this condom, child, ’cause you just playing with me.”

Ashley Ray: Yep. “Let me get this over with.” And I do feel Theresa would have poked a hole in a condom.

Laci Mosley: If she was still ovulating.

Ashley Ray: She would have made that happen. She really, truly would have. Because when Faith was out, that’s when I was like, “Gerry doesn’t know what he’s doing.” How are you getting rid of the girl you gave the First Impression Rose?

Laci Mosley: He was trying to find somebody who was not going to get to Indiana and be like, “A white refrigerator? Oh no…”

Ashley Ray: And that’s… Leslie has too much taste.

Laci Mosley: Yeah.

Ashley Ray: And I wonder if it had been Faith and Theresa, I think maybe it would have been a little more evenly matched. I think he would have been a little more in debate about it.

Laci Mosley: That would have been devastating to us, though, because at least with Theresa, you are so thirsty for this man that I don’t feel bad that you’re going to end up with this dud because you really wormed and chased your way for this dud. Whereas if it was Faith and Leslie, I would have felt bad because they’re both seemingly nice women.

Ashley Ray: Really nice. Yeah. And they didn’t have any drama during the season. Theresa was always fighting with that one girl who was like, “Could you stop bragging about your dates?”

Laci Mosley: What was with that girl? He had to keep picking her because they were like, “She’s our villain.” She was just lecturing Theresa. And you know what? Maybe she got the villain edit. Maybe Theresa really was doing too much, and they made her look crazy.

Ashley Ray: I thought that she was, but… I’ve been a Theresa hater since day one, so…

Laci Mosley: I wasn’t. I didn’t like how her face looked at the time. But, you know, I’m vain. I’m so sorry. But right now?

Ashley Ray: She looks good now. But I was just very like, “There’s something where she’s scheming. I don’t trust it. She, like, didn’t have the same solidarity with the other women. All the other girls in the house were like, ‘We cook for each other. We have the little jokes.’ And she was just like, ‘So-and-so talked to Gerry for exactly 8.2 minutes. Blah, blah, blah.” And I’m just like, “Come on.”

Laci Mosley: She was on a mission. But I do like a girl’s girl because it’s like, “What’s for you is for you.” But at the same time, Theresa thwarted the women and she won. So, I don’t know. Maybe she clocked that that’s the kind of man Gerry was. He wanted a woman who was going to thwart.

Ashley Ray: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like he would. He would want a girl who’s like, “I don’t like other girls. I just hang out with my man. Everybody else sucks.”

Laci Mosley: Because Leslie’s going to have her girlfriends and she’s going to have her Margarita Mondays and she’s going to have her little volleyball league or her little activities and whatnot. Theresa’s going to be in the house.

Ashley Ray: Yeah. Theresa’s going to be at home. Theresa’s going to be cooking. Theresa’s going to be splitting in half the bills. Theresa is fine to pay at a restaurant ahead of time, so Gerry can look like a big man paying the full check.

Laci Mosley: And Theresa’s going to make a show about it. “Oh, baby, thank you so much for the meal. It was so good. You treat me so nice!” She’ll give him a card that she pays for.

Ashley Ray: But his name is on it. She’ll set it up real nice for him to feel good.

Laci Mosley: She’ll pay the bill every month.

Ashley Ray: Theresa… But I don’t feel bad for her. I don’t feel bad at all. I do think the right woman won in the end knowing what I know now about Gerry. But it is just kind of funny that, like, when the show started, everybody was celebrating how it was finally an emotional take on The Bachelor. Like, “Finally a man on the show who knows how to communicate and who’s in touch with his feelings and is so sentimental.” And then weeks later, as I know it’s the same. He’s the same. He’s a man.

Laci Mosley: Yeah. I mean, it kind of sucks because on one hand, you know how reality TV show producers are. There can be nasty people. I watched Unreal, and I know reality TV show producers and they’ve confessed to doing some nasty things. Some of them left the business because it was so, you know, despicable. But part of me is like, “Was Gerry just along for the ride and they told him this is what was going to happen?”

Ashley Ray: “This is what sells. This is the story we’re going to push.” I do think that’s the case.

Laci Mosley: And so, I feel like maybe he wasn’t trying to– I’ll give him the benefit of doubt that perhaps he wasn’t trying to hide that he was dating. But that was what was obviously going to be the best narrative to push for this emotional– What absolutely worked for all of us tuning in. And so, it made for great television. And then as far as splitting bills and stuff, we’re in the 21st century. And I mean, he’s 70. So, when I hear 14 years the junior, we’re talking about a woman in her mid-fifties. So, this is a grown, grown woman. So, it’s not like this is a young, young girl. But at the same time, that is still a significant age gap.

Ashley Ray: But she is young enough where she would be like, “Oh, I understand feminism. Yeah, I’ll take care of this.”

Laci Mosley: Like, yeah, absolutely. But she is also old enough to where the dating pool starts to get smaller. So, dating older– And he looks younger. So, like, I could understand dating this man and feeling like, “Well, it’s hard to date in your mid-fifties, so I’m to just be with him.” I don’t understand how you split bills when you don’t have a job. That is confusing to me.

Ashley Ray: Using up those savings. Oh, you know what the article said? At some point after she moved in, she managed to get a job in, like, maybe Fort Wayne, Indiana. But it was, like, an hour from where Gerry lived. So, she would commute an hour, and she had, like, an office job.

Laci Mosley: Okay. So, she kind of upended her life, but she did it for love because she’s like, “I’m trying to just lock it down for…” And I get that. I absolutely understand that. But the whole breaking of the– The gaining weight and not bringing them to the reunion is nasty.

Ashley Ray: That’s nasty. That’s a big red flag.

Laci Mosley: And that’s too specific for me not to believe her. And I tend to believe women because there’s just no reason for her to lie about that. Why would that woman lie about that? Like, I’m going to believe her. Sorry. That’s just unbelievable.

Ashley Ray: And it’s interesting because in the article, the woman uses a fake name, so she can’t be identified. But then they interview her friends to verify the story. And all of her friends were like, “Use my full legal name, please.”

Laci Mosley: They said, “Put me on record.”

Ashley Ray: They’re like, “My name is Susan Vogel.” And it’s like, “Don’t you think some people are going to be able to put some dots together and be like, “You know what? I know this Susan. And she has a friend who moved to Indiana.”

Laci Mosley: And I know y’all got Facebook. And I know y’all be posting your photos.

Ashley Ray: To connect those dots. I believe her. I do think this is some– And also the losing weight thing is interesting because as it got down to the final three, it was so clear that the women look so alike. Leslie and Theresa are so thin. They have, like, you know, the brown hair and similar characteristics. And I was like, “Oh, it’s very clear he has a type.” And it’s, like, super thin women. Like, frail thin.

Laci Mosley: And that always bothers me. I don’t tend to, like, pry into men’s dating history that I date. So, I may not know. But friends of mine–or if it’s somebody else or whatever–if I see someone and I know them and they tend to date the same type of looking woman, it’s always a huge red flag for me because I’m like, “Are you actually interested in any of these people’s personality?” Just because someone looks like someone else does not mean they have anything going on in their heads that’s similar to the other person. That means that you’re just making your decision on a life partner based on, like, trophyism.

Ashley Ray: Just checking the boxes. Brown hair, skinny…

Laci Mosley: Like they’re just a body that you’re just going to walk around with that’s going to be your sexpot, your secretary, your therapist, and your maid. They’re not going to be a human being that has sentience–that has thoughts. You don’t care about that. It’s just aesthetic. Like, that’s weird. If you line up everyone I’ve dated, they’re not the same gender, they’re not the same race, they don’t look nothing alike.

Ashley Ray: It’s a Benetton ad if you call my exes. It’s a whole rainbow of people.

Laci Mosley: It’s an ad for, like, college. They’re sitting on the lawn.

Ashley Ray: You’ll be like, “This is a really diverse place. I think I’d get along here. I’d meet a lot of people.”

Laci Mosley: “It seems like a great school.”

Ashley Ray: And Gerry–you line them up and it’s like, “So, the brunets, the skinny brunettes…” But they did show a picture of his wife, and she was a bigger brunet. She was a bigger woman. So, part of me, again, I’m like, “I want to know what was up in that marriage. What was the vibe? What was going on?”

Laci Mosley: But she did have children, though, so what does she look like before she had the children? Your body changes, and so maybe he was then like, “Well, we’re married. We got these kids.

Ashley Ray: But yeah. I just am like, “If he was, like, shaming a girl he dated for a year.”

Laci Mosley: Maybe he was stepping out.

Ashley Ray: I’m starting to think, like, “Gerry, what was going on?” They have the texts in the article. And a month after his wife died, he was texting this girl, “I need you when I go to bed. I need you when I wake up in the morning.”

Laci Mosley: And you know, they say, like, when women get sick, the husbands dip out. So, who’s to say he wasn’t dipping a toe prior?

Ashley Ray: A little prior–a little early. I can’t put anything past him now after reading this article. So, to me, it kind of fizzled out. There wasn’t, like, a real big firework love marriage moment. It just kind of was like, “Oh, I guess that’s it, Theresa.”

Laci Mosley: When they were standing on that little podium together, even before I knew the little nasty tea that you just spilled, I was watching, and I was like, “This just feels like womp.” And it wasn’t because we didn’t have that big moment of rejection. I didn’t want that. I actually enjoyed that they spared my girl Leslie because I really liked her. I appreciated that. But when they got together, I felt like they were doing bits in this moment that’s usually, like, a crescendo of love. And I didn’t understand why it was so awkward and why it was so scripted. it just didn’t feel like there was chemistry. I feel like he was hiring–onboarding–an employee.

Ashley Ray: And I feel like Theresa wanted that moment of rejection for Leslie. I think she wanted the, like, you know, big firework, “I won,” “I beat all the other girls” moment. And then that didn’t happen. It was just kind of like, “Oh, Leslie had too much self-respect and just left? Well, okay, I don’t. So, let’s just run the wedding. Give me the script.”

Laci Mosley: Maybe that’s why she ended up with the script. I bet you the producers walked in on Theresa, and she was sitting there in her gown, face being nervous as hell. She walked in, and they were like, “Okay, Theresa, there’s been a change of plans. Leslie has decided to leave. Gerry decides to tell her that, you know, she wasn’t chosen to spare her the embarrassment.” She was like, “What? Spare her? That’s the whole thing. So, I’m gonna be alone when I win? I mean, “when I find love.” When I find my true partner, there will be no witnesses?”

Ashley Ray: “Yeah. No, it’s just going to be you and Gerry in love. A beautiful moment on the podium.”

Laci Mosley: “So you can just say what’s on your heart.” “I’m not gonna have something on my heart to say in front of nobody!”

Ashley Ray: And she asked them to write something because it just was so flat. I mean, was there any moment for you that really shocked you–that made you go, “Whoa”?

Laci Mosley: No. I mean, I was more annoyed. That bit where he was like, “I don’t want to live with you.” That was like, “What is this?” That wasn’t cute. Like, where’s the love? He had more spark with Leslie on the dates than… What the fuck was that?

Ashley Ray: Yeah. Even their breakup–I felt like they had more of this ability to communicate and just emotional connection, when you could see him just, like, trying to find the right words to not say “I love you.” I still just can’t get over “I love you.” “That’s a beautiful sentiment.”

Laci Mosley: But you know what? I’ve also learned that, as a new Leslie–as someone who’s working to be Leslie–men will leave you if they are intimidated by you.

Ashley Ray: Absolutely.

Laci Mosley: And I’ve seen men that really like someone and leave them for someone that they feel more comfortable with because they simply don’t want the challenge. And so, they’ll stay with someone that they don’t really like because it’s more comfortable than being with someone that challenges them. And Theresa wasn’t paying attention to the shit Gerry was doing. And Leslie was scoping out every fucking moment. When she was like, “You acted different,” he was like, “What are you talking about?” to the point when she would take Gerry’s ass to task. And she was doing it gently, just being like, “Hey, I just feel like things are changing.” He’d be like, “I got to go.” Like, run away.

Ashley Ray: “Time for me to go.” He truly just sat straight up, and was like, “I gotta go.”

Laci Mosley: He’s like Jimmy Neutron. “Gotta blast!” “We’re having a conversation. Bring your ass back here.”

Ashley Ray: “Sir, you are in your 70s. You should be able to talk to me–be able to look me in my face and say, ‘I don’t want your little book gift because I picked the other girl.’ Come on.”

Laci Mosley: And Theresa is just happy with anything. She’s just happy with whatever scraps she can get. And Gary’s like, “Great. I don’t have to be better–do better. I don’t have to do shit.” Whereas, like, Leslie? She wasn’t even challenging. She just wanted communication. She’s like, “I’ve noticed your behavior has changed. Like, is there anything up or you want to tell me anything?” because she can notice things. I think he really did like her, but he was intimidated by her. And she was a bad bitch. Some men can’t handle a bad bitch. Most men can’t handle a bad bitch.

Ashley Ray: We’re two bad bitches. We know they can’t handle it. They get intimidated. And it did seem like Gerry immediately was just like, “Oh, she’s a real person. Like, she’ll come into my life, and my kids might side with her–just like they did their mom–and make me the villain again. So let me go with Theresa, who’s always going to be on my side.” Any last thoughts? I mean, like I said, Gerry kind of stole a beautiful journey from us. The whole show just kind of fizzles out. But any final thoughts?

Laci Mosley: I think my final thought is thank you so much, Ashley. I’m so glad that I came on this podcast. Thank you so much for having me because you just changed my whole perspective. I was really thinking, “Oh, you know, maybe it’s not so bad that I’ve been, like…” And I’ve been working towards really settling into myself. I attract a lot of energy, and I’m pushing away the energy that doesn’t serve me or the people who are just trying to, like, use or… When you have a light, a lot of shit comes towards you. And sometimes it’s flies, and you have to realize it’s flies and you got to be like, “Swat! Swat! Swat!”

Ashley Ray: Swat it away.

Laci Mosley: Yeah. And so, I was like, “Oh, you know what? Maybe it’s, like, not so bad to be so giving all the time.” But I’m like, “No, no. I’m gonna keep being reserved.” And it’s an interview. When you come around me, show me why you should be in my presence. And it doesn’t have to be rude. It doesn’t have to be intimidating or mean or anything like that. But I used to think of dates as, like, “Let me show my best self and show this person why they should want to know.” I go on dates now, and I be like, “Why should I give you my time?”

Ashley Ray: “Why should I talk to you? Why are you here? I’ve got stuff to do.”

Laci Mosley: That’s not rude. I ask more questions. I listen more than I talk. I know everything about me. I don’t need to talk about me.

Ashley Ray: Yeah. “Tell me about you.”

Laci Mosley: And then if you don’t ask me anything about me, then that’s a red flag. But also tell me things about you. And if I like those things, maybe I’ll talk to you again. But if I don’t, I won’t. If you neg me, it’s over.

Ashley Ray: That’s real Leslie energy.

Laci Mosley: I met a girl at a party, and she was, like, so cute. And I remember we were in a group conversation and, like, bopping around. It was a Halloween party. I was dressed as a general, so I was doing bits. And people were doing bits with my cardboard cutout of Shaq. I remember she just kept being, like… At first it was kind of cute. She was like, “Oh, you’re kind of wild. This costume is wild.” And I was like, “Yeah. Yeah.” She was just like, “Oh, you’re just the center of attention, huh?” But I didn’t mind that. And she was like, “Do you ever ask anybody any other questions, or do you just talk about yourself?” We’re in a group conversation. People are talking about everything. We’re all talking about ourselves. And I’m like, “Bitch, what the fuck?” And she kind of kept, like, picking at me. And I realized, like, she thought that she was cute. And I was like, “Sweetie, I know I’m a bad bitch, but I don’t have low self-esteem. So, what you’re doing actually makes me want to get away from you.”

Ashley Ray: “Nah, that doesn’t make me like you. It’s not going to entice me. I’m not going to be like, ‘Oh, I have something to prove.’ No, I have self-esteem. I’m just going to be like, ‘You deal with your issues.’”

Laci Mosley: “Oh, wow. You’re bringing me down a peg. I want to be near you.” No.

Ashley Ray: No, that’s not how it’s going to go.

Laci Mosley: Gas me up. Exxon Mobil, bitch. Don’t do that.

Ashley Ray: That would be my takeaway. Producers of The Golden Bachelor, get a man who knows how to boost a woman–who’s there because he’s really looking for someone he can celebrate and be with and not someone who will cook him meals until the end of his life.

Laci Mosley: Who’s a bad bitch. Who wants a secretary. And Leslie, if you ever hear this, you are a badass bitch. And you will be chosen by somebody who is worthy of you. And you dodged a bullet because you don’t want to be that man’s lover and his secretary every night of the week. You don’t want that. You don’t want that, okay? So, you’re not going to cry no more. You’re not going to shed no tears.

Ashley Ray: I’m hoping she’s The Golden Bachelorette. I would watch.

Laci Mosley: I hope she is. I want that. I don’t know who that ambiguous man was that they said was about to be The Bachelor.

Ashley Ray: Yeah, I didn’t care about that. I was like, “I don’t need to know about that.”

Laci Mosley: Shelf him. Put him on the island with the rest of the hotties and give us Leslie.

Ashley Ray: Yes. I do think they would have some issues casting older men on a Golden Bachelorette.

Laci Mosley: Oh, it would be so terrible. They gotta go straight to the funeral home and just–

Ashley Ray: Grab them fresh. Fresh widows.

Laci Mosley: Don’t let them go home.

Ashley Ray: No, because the second they do–the second they get used to that…

Laci Mosley: They gotta be quarantined. They gotta go to the office and just start pulling up the ABC van.

Ashley Ray: Yeah. Like, “Go, go, go, go!” You got to get them a month out when they still have that idea of how to be around a woman. That would be the hard part. But I would watch it. And I would watch a bunch of old men complain about sleeping in bunk beds.

Laci Mosley: That would be cute. And I would wonder how old men would be around each other. What is old machismo?

Ashley Ray: Yeah. Like, would they be friends? Would they find, like, some male bonding because that’s always cute on, like, Love Is Blind. Nowadays the guys know how to, like, take their walls down, and they all bond and stuff. But I feel like a bunch of old dudes would be like, “I don’t trust them.”

Laci Mosley: Are they playing Pinochle? What are they doing? I want to know.

Ashley Ray: Oh, yeah.

Laci Mosley: I want some old papas. And I want them to be talking about how much they love Leslie. I guess they could be, like, a little younger.

Ashley Ray: She’s younger. They could go down to, like, 50s.

Laci Mosley: 59.

Ashley Ray: Yeah, but knowing ABC, they would probably spin it and make The Golden Bachelorette some kind of, like, cougar thing, so…

Laci Mosley: Oh no. I don’t want younger men because the younger men always want a cougar for a little while and then they want to leave. We need age-appropriate men who are, like, right at the burial, and then ABC just takes them away.

Ashley Ray: “It’s time. It’s time for you to be on TV.” That’s what they need. So that’s The Golden Bachelor. I think they’re going to make more of it. It was the most successful season of The Bachelor in, like, a while, I think. It’s kind of fallen off. So, I think we’re going to see that. I think we’ll see a Golden Bachelorette spinoff, hopefully. I did want to dig into your watchlist a little bit. You know, we like to give the listeners some homework–some things to watch themselves. And there was a show on your list that I am in love with the second season. And I don’t see enough people talking about it. So, we need to talk about it right now. Rap Sh!t. Please. Please. Well, how are you feeling about this season?

Laci Mosley: This season is phenomenal. I hate that it came out right when we were on SAG strike, so they couldn’t really promote it. And I hate that. But we can promote it now. Rap Sh!t is a show about two rappers trying to come up in the game–two female rappers. They are scrappers. They’re scammers. They’re baddies. You’re kind of seeing them trying to climb to the top. But they’re scamming, and they’re rapping. And it’s just such a funny ass show, but it has so much heart. But it’s so real. It’s, like, gritty Miami. It’s funny as fuck. This season is so fucking good. I devoured it. I watched the last episode. Amy Aniobi directed that episode. She’s directing next week’s episode. It’s just killing me. I love it so fucking much.

Ashley Ray: It is the show I look forward to the most each week. And I think, you know–obviously Issa Rae producing–people kind of thought it was, like, a younger Insecure. I think it got that kind of reputation. I don’t really know why.

Laci Mosley: Nothing like that.

Ashley Ray: Nothing like it. I keep hearing people be like, “Oh, isn’t it just about some rapper girls dating in Miami?” And I’m like, “No. You have very much misunderstood the show. It is so much more than that.”

Laci Mosley: It’s wild as fuck. And the music industry itself is a fucking scam. They have no unions. They have no protection. Everyone is scamming–everyone in the music business to this day. And you get to see all the inner workings of that–how they steal from artists, how they steal from the writers, how they play you, and how they owe you. It’s amazing.

Ashley Ray: Yeah. It’s so, so good. I’ve loved this season. There’s a whole thing with, like, this white girl rapper that has just… It is so well done that, like, I need that show. And it’s actually already been renewed for Season Three, so we don’t even need to worry. So that’s one you can ease into watching. You don’t even have to worry about it. You get a whole ’nother season. You’re safe. It’s not often we get that. We just have that and Abbott Elementary because they did announce a lot of cancellations this week. Swagger was canceled. Riches was just announced today on Amazon Prime. It was basically Black succession.

Laci Mosley: When is Amazon Prime going to promote a television show?

Ashley Ray: I don’t know. A show other than The Boys, you mean? Because that’s the only one they promote.

Laci Mosley: And they barely promote that!

Ashley Ray: And they barely do that. They’re just like, “We have this one really good superhero show everybody talks about. And then the rest of our shows are a secret.”

Laci Mosley: Right? They’re like, “Y’all tweeting about it; that’s our promotion. Ashley Ray. TV, I Say. That’s our promotion.”

Ashley Ray: And honestly, yeah. They’re sending me the With Love box, being, like, “You tell people about this?” And I’m like, “I’m one girl. I can only do so much. Y’all have an ad network. Maybe run an ad letting people know you have Riches, you have With Love, and you have all of these shows that are so good.” I don’t think they made an announcement about Harlem yet, but I’m curious to see what happens there because that’s, like, now the one show about people of color that Amazon has not canceled, so…

Laci Mosley: So, fingers crossed. I love Harlem, and I think it’s so fun.

Ashley Ray: It’s really fun, and I love that show. You know, and we did lose Run the World. That got canceled. It looks like First Wives Club was canceled.

Laci Mosley: They kicking all the niggas off TV.

Ashley Ray: Basically! Every cancellation this week was, like, a Black TV show. I couldn’t believe Swagger got canceled. It’s just like all the networks are like, “2024. We don’t have to be diverse anymore. We tried that. We did it. Moving on.”

Laci Mosley: “No, we didn’t promote the diverse TV shows. But don’t worry about it.”

Ashley Ray: “Who needs to promote them? Come on.”

Laci Mosley: “Black people were supposed to call the Black people loud. We saw y’all in the protests! Y’all know how to communicate”

Ashley Ray: “That’s how it works. Y’all have your weekly meetings. And y’all should’ve told people in the meetings to watch the show. And you did it. So that’s on you. It’s on you that it didn’t pop off.”

Laci Mosley: “Remember how y’all did civil rights? Y’all was supposed to do that for the TV show.”

Ashley Ray: “You were supposed to let people know!” So, I’m going to call that one out. That’s going to be all the homework because just please watch Rap Sh!t. I love it. It’s so funny.

Laci Mosley: Absolutely.

Ashley Ray: So that’s it. And where can the people follow you? Plug what you gotta plug. Any final thoughts?

Laci Mosley: Yes. I mean, this was a blast. I had a good ass time. And you know what? I got a new lease on life, so thank you for that. And you can find me @divalacy on all platforms. And if you like robbery, fraud, and comedy, you can listen to Scam Goddess Podcast. And you can listen to Ashley Ray. She’ll be back on the podcast. I don’t know when the Chicago episode is going to come out. Thanks to y’all, I gotta do a lot of editing. I gotta take so much out.

Ashley Ray: There was a lot to be edited from that.

Laci Mosley: I’m gonna get sued.

Ashley Ray: I was like, “We’re getting in trouble.”

Laci Mosley: We’re running it straight through legal. But then it’ll be on the platform. You’ll hear Ashley Ray on the podcast once again, doing a stellar comedic job as she always does. And January 21st, Francisco Sketchfest–we’re going to be out there, so come see a live show of Scam Goddess.

Ashley Ray: Yes. SF Sketchfest. January 21st. 7:00 p.m. They even had me ready with that. I love Sketchfest, so you don’t want to miss that. And, TV Club, I already told you to watch Rap Sh!t. You know, For All Mankind is still going strong. I think it has become a crazy cartoon, but we will get deep into that in a future episode because I have so much to complain about. We still have Below Deck Mediterranean. Why is Kyle still there? I’m angry about that, too. And finally, we will have the final season of the Crown on Netflix, December 14th. I got drunk and watched the whole Part One and live tweeted it. And I am excited to get drunk and watch Part Two, where we see Prince what’s-his-name–William–meet Kate Middleton, which I guess they think is something I care about. But I don’t know. I only know the one who matters. Harry. So, I’m excited to see what they do with it. But, you know, it’s my favorite get-drunk-during-the-winter show. So, join me with that. And that’s it. You got a lot of TV to watch. We’re getting back into the swing of things. Shows are coming back. Oh, I feel alive again. So, thank you so much for listening. We’ll be back next week with another episode. TV, I Say with Ashley Ray is an Earwolf production made by me, Ashley Ray-Harris. It’s engineered by Abby Aguilar, produced by Anita Flores, executive produced by Amelia Chappelow. And our original theme song is by RaFia. It means so much to me if you go rate, review, subscribe. Follow TV, I Say. Let us know what you think and tell your friends. Share with your Golden Girls. Tell your Boys. If you love my TV recommendations, let everyone you know know. For special TV Club members, join my Patreon.