July 11, 2023

EP. S2E51 — The Idol Hate Watch & Taboo TV w/ Kiki Andersen

What’s more fascinating than good TV? EPICALLY BAD TV. Whether you’ve watched MAX’s The Idol or not, Kiki Andersen (Indecent podcast) is here to help Ashley break down all the reasons why the show was a monumental failure and discuss what makes a TV show taboo. Plus, Ashley dives into The Other Two’s scandal-ridden cancellation and how it seems like A-list showrunner Ryan Murphy isn’t standing in solidarity with his WGA colleagues.

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What We Watched:

The Sopranos

Abbott Elementary


And Just Like That

The Righteous Gemstones


The Idol

MTV’s Skins

The Other Two



And Just Like That

90 Day Fiancé: The Other Way


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Ashley Ray [00:00:28] Welcome to TV, I Say with Ashley Ray–your go-to podcast for discovering what to watch on TV, getting behind the scenes insights from the people who make the shows you love, and, you know, for talking all the TV news. You might think it’s summer–the hiatus–writers are on strike. Don’t worry, there is still so much TV news happening. Lot of shows ending. And that’s why I’m so excited for you. This week is going to be such a fun episode because we’re going to do our weekly watchlist. We’re going to, you know, run down some TV news like usual. But I also really wanted to discuss the epic failure of Max–I guess it might have been HBO Max–now Max’s The Idol and why it was rejected by basically everyone. And who better to talk about such a taboo show than comedian Kiki Andersen, who is also the host of Indecent, a podcast about what’s considered unacceptable in today’s society. And I thin

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