January 19, 2021

EP. 197 — How Can We Show Up For Mutual Aid? with Dean Spade

This week on Getting Curious, the writer, activist, and educator Dean Spade joins Jonathan to discuss how we can meet our neighbors’ survival needs through mutual aid, and better understand the systems we live under in the process. Listen in to learn about what mutual aid is, how it differs from charity, and why local wisdom is essential for sweeping change.


Dean Spade has been working to build queer and trans liberation based in racial and economic justice for the past two decades. He’s the author of Normal Life: Administrative Violence, Critical Trans Politics, and the Limits of Law, the director of the documentary “Pinkwashing Exposed: Seattle Fights Back!,” and the creator of the mutual aid toolkit at BigDoorBrigade.com. His latest book, Mutual Aid: Building Solidarity During This Crisis (and the Next), was published by Verso Press in October 2020.


You can follow Dean on Twitter @deanspade and Instagram @spade.dean.


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Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness & Dean Spade JVN [00:00:00] Welcome to Getting Curious. I’m Jonathan Van Ness and every week I sit down for a 40 minute conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious. On today’s episode, I’m joined by Dean Spade, a writer, activist, and Associate Professor at Seattle University School of Law, where I ask him: What’s mutual aid? Welcome to Getting Curious, this is Jonathan Van Ness. I’m so excited for our guest this week, we have Dean Spade. You have spent your entire career working to build queer and trans liberation based in racial and economic justice, including–this is one of my very favorite parts of the sentence–including founding the Sylvia Rivera Law Project. Your new book is ’Mutual Aid,’ which I just have to say, after having read, it starts off as mutual aid, but then it turns into this, like, stunning advice book for all things life and made me have lots of ques

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