November 24, 2020

EP. 189 — How Grateful Are We To Live Beyond The Gender Binary? with ALOK

This week on Getting Curious, we’re re-releasing an episode from June 2019 that we hold dear, with the performance artist and writer ALOK. ALOK and Jonathan discuss their experiences embracing life beyond the gender binary, the historical precedents for gender fluidity, and the power of “emotional alchemy” in the face of discrimination.


Follow ALOK on Instagram @alokvmenon, and make sure to check out their book Beyond The Gender Binary. You can keep up with all of their incredible work at


Once you’ve listened to the episode, head over to Jonathan’s Instagram @JVN for a July 2020 follow-up conversation with ALOK.


Find out what today’s guest and former guests are up to by following us on Instagram and Twitter @CuriousWithJVN.


Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness & ALOK JVN [00:00:00] Welcome to Getting Curious. I’m Jonathan Van Ness and every week I sit down for a 40 minute conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious. This week, we’re re-airing an episode from June 2019 with the incredible writer and performance artist, and someone who I’m honored to call a friend, ALOK, where I ask them: How grateful are we to live beyond the gender binary? Welcome to “Getting Curious.” I’m so excited to introduce our beautiful guest ALOK, who is a writer, performance artist, fashionista extraordinaire. So nice to have you here. Welcome. ALOK [00:00:42] So happy to be here. Thank you. JVN [00:00:44] Well. So it’s, I don’t know if you heard this. Did you know it’s Pride month? ALOK [00:00:48] I had no idea. JVN [00:00:49] I don’t know if you heard anything about it. ALOK [00:00:51] This is blasphemous. JVN [00:00:52] It&

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