June 16, 2020

EP. 166 — Is Trump An Autocratic Basic B? with Masha Gessen

In Masha Gessen’s return to Getting Curious, the journalist and staff writer at The New Yorker speaks with Jonathan about their new book Surviving Autocracy. They discuss the ways in which Trump has consolidated power since his election, what the stakes are if he continues to trample American institutions, and what we can do to resist his autocratic ambitions.

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JVN [00:00:00] Welcome to Getting Curious. I’m Jonathan Van Ness and every week I sit down for a 40 minute conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious. On today’s episode, I’m joined by Masha Gessen, staff writer for The New Yorker and author of the new book “Surviving Autocracy,” where I ask them, Is Donald Trump An Autocratic Basic B? Welcome to "Getting Curious." Welcome back, Masha Gessen. I am very, and I say air quotes, "Happy to see you." This is a new time in podcasting. I am in my closet. You’re at your house. I’m assuming. Last time we got to talk, we were face to face in Manhattan. And obviously times have changed. So if you hear my cats in the closet or a video game in the background, that’s all that is everyone. And that is not a big deal because what is a big deal is what we are here to talk about. So, Masha, your 11th book just came out. I mean, first of all, congr

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