March 15, 2022

EP. 256 — What’re The Adventures of Frogs and Toads? with Professor Kelly Zamudio

“Blah,” said Toad. “I feel down in the dumps.”

“Why?” asked Frog.

“I’m thinking about how there’s never been an episode of Getting Curious about us.”

Frog opened up his podcast feed.

Toad peered over his shoulder.

“Toad, there it is! An episode of Getting Curious with herpetologist Kelly Zamudio! All about where we live, how we interact, and why we’re so important to biodiversity.”

They pressed play—and now, they invite you to do the same.

Kelly Zamudio is an evolutionary biologist and her research focuses on the origin and maintenance of diversification in vertebrates (especially reptiles and amphibians). Her lab integrates field research in population biology, demography, and landscape/habitat change with lab research on the genetic underpinnings of population diversification, speciation, and conservation genetics. Kelly has a particular fondness for frogs and their reproductive modes. You can follow her on Twitter at @KZ_UTAustin. Her lab website is

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Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness & Professor Kelly Zamudio  JVN [00:00:00] Welcome to Getting Curious. I’m Jonathan Van Ness and every week I sit down for a gorgeous conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious. On today’s episode, honey, I’m joined by Professor Kelly R. Zamudio, where I ask her: What is the story on frogs? Welcome to Getting Curious, this is Jonathan Van Ness, and I am so excited about today’s topic, I’m so excited about today’s guest. Without any further ado, let’s jump right in. Welcome to the show Kelly R. Zamudio, who is a professor in the Department of Integrative Biology at the University of Texas at Austin. Go Austin! And an endowed fellow of the Doherty Regents chair in molecular biology, honey. Her research focuses on the origin and maintenance of vertebrate biodiversity, especially reptiles and amphibians. How are you, Kelly?  KELLY ZAMUDIO [00:00:55] I’m great. Thank

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