EP. 368 — Kraven the Hunter LIVE! w/ Jessica St. Clair

[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: First there was Black Panther. Now there is white tiger. We saw Kraven, so you know what that means.

[00:00:13] Music: [Intro song]

[00:00:57] Paul Scheer: Hello, people of Earth! Hello, people of Austin, Texas!

[00:01:08] Yes. We are live in Texas to talk about Kraven, The Hunter. A movie that IMDB describes as this

[00:01:20] “Kraven’s complex relationship with his ruthless father, Nikolai Koff starts him down a path of vengeance with brutal consequences, motivating him to become not only the greatest hunter in the world, but also one of its most feared.”

[00:01:36] Tagline. Villains aren’t born. They’re made. That’s right. This movie had a budget of $130 million. Opening weekend was $11 million.

[00:01:57] Domestic gross. $25 million. Rough one. Rough one. Here’s what I’m gonna say. I fucking loved it. I loved this movie. Russell Crow with a Russian accent. Come on. And I gotta tell you, I, I’m gonna, well, I’ll say some things that are sarcastic for sure. But Aaron Taylor Johnson fucking ready for it. I’m like, that guy is performing with his dick out the entire movie, and I love it.

[00:02:33] I’m like, yeah, man. He got it. He got some memos like, this is the way I’m going. I’m like, I’m in. I’m all in. But you know what? I might be the only person with this opinion because tonight we’re gonna break it all down. But first, lemme introduce my co-host. Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Mantzoukas!

[00:02:59] Jason Mantzoukas: What’s up, jerks!? Let’s go. Let’s go Texas. That’s right. Last time I was in this state, you tried to kill me with covid. This time, don’t you give me those measles. I don’t want your measles. Is there a baby in the house? Guess what? I’m not holding it. Because of the measles. Get it together. Texas.

[00:03:28] Paul Scheer: Jason.

[00:03:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Paul.

[00:03:29] Paul Scheer: Kraven, the Hunter.

[00:03:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:03:31] Paul Scheer: Did you see it before it was an assignment?

[00:03:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I started it. I started it honestly, probably six weeks ago.

[00:03:36] Paul Scheer: Okay.

[00:03:37] Jason Mantzoukas: I started about six weeks ago. I watched the, the opening act. I watched the prison cold open. I was like, we’re definitely gonna do this.

[00:03:43] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:03:43] Jason Mantzoukas: So I stopped. I stopped because I was like, God, help me if I have to watch this more than once. And it’s over two hours.

[00:03:51] Paul Scheer: Wait a second. You didn’t like the opening prison sequence?

[00:03:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I liked it fine, but I was still like, I know this is dog shit. Spoiler alert. I was fucking right. Oh, I’ve seen morphous. I know what we’re up to. I know how good this could be. I know what it is. Boy, that was, this movie is rotten to the core.

[00:04:12] Paul Scheer: But the accents are good.

[00:04:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, I mean, I have a lot of questions about the accents.

[00:04:19] Paul Scheer: Alright.

[00:04:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, like what region of the world does everybody come from?

[00:04:25] Paul Scheer: Europe.

[00:04:26] Jason Mantzoukas: It is, but, but the brothers have American accents when they want to.

[00:04:31] Paul Scheer: You know, you slip in an out of accents. Um, look.

[00:04:33] Jason Mantzoukas: This movie is a referendum on the manosphere.

[00:04:39] Paul Scheer: We are gonna bring out somebody who might have a lot of opinions about, oh, I accents.

[00:04:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Imagine not.

[00:04:45] Paul Scheer: Uh, she’s gonna be a special guest on this entire tour with us. There are no trash can fires, but I think there are gonna be a lot of things in this movie that are going to upset her. Please welcome Jessica St. Clair.

[00:05:11] Welcome Jessica.

[00:05:14] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, I knew I’d be tortured. I knew I’d be tortured by a film.

[00:05:21] Paul Scheer: This, I felt would be right up your alley. You got sex.

[00:05:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Hunks. It’s got, it’s got

[00:05:26] Jessica St. Clair: Well, I spent the first 15 minutes thinking we were in the post-apocalyptic future.

[00:05:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.

[00:05:31] Jessica St. Clair: So that was confusing.

[00:05:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Right. Because it was just a Russian prison?

[00:05:34] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah, exactly.

[00:05:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Where somehow I suspect we will all find ourselves soon.

[00:05:38] Jessica St. Clair: Honestly. I was like, here we go. And it’s cold. So you know they’re gonna be lighting those trash cans on fire. But then he took his shirt off. I said, that’s something for mommy, something for daddy and mommy.

[00:05:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh wait, baby talk already?

[00:05:58] Jessica St. Clair: Those baby.

[00:05:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Mommy. Like those baby. What?

[00:06:02] Jessica St. Clair: Baby abby’s ab baby. Abby.

[00:06:05] Jason Mantzoukas: You call those his baby abbies? I don’t understand. Are you, are you fetishizing him having a child set of abs?

[00:06:13] Jessica St. Clair: There ain’t no hair on that chest. No hair or all the hair in the world.

[00:06:18] Paul Scheer: That’s right. That guy is hairless. He is hairless.

[00:06:21] Jessica St. Clair: He is.

[00:06:21] Paul Scheer: And he is finding reasons.

[00:06:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he’s slick as a seal, baby.

[00:06:24] Paul Scheer: He is Finding reasons to take off that shirt except for. An odd hour where he’s just wearing a suit.

[00:06:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:06:31] Paul Scheer: Which seems like.

[00:06:32] Jessica St. Clair: That’s weird.

[00:06:32] Paul Scheer: Yeah. She should have taken that shirt off. Um, we have a very special guest tonight, uh, joining us to help break down Kraven the Hunter, uh, you know her from, uh, podcasts. Like, How Did This Get Made. Please welcome June Diane Raphael!

[00:06:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Standing Ovation. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Oh God. Oh God.

[00:07:04] June Diane Raphael: There’s someone in my seat, Paul.

[00:07:08] Paul Scheer: Welcome.

[00:07:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, welcome to a show. A show that is starting to go down in history as Chaos Unlimited.

[00:07:18] Paul Scheer: Welcome, June. How are you?

[00:07:19] June Diane Raphael: I’m okay. How are you Paul?

[00:07:21] Paul Scheer: I’m well. Thank you so much for being here, June. Thoughts on Kraven Hunter.

[00:07:25] June Diane Raphael: Gosh, well. Well, first of all, listen, there are more women on this stage than there are in the movie.

[00:07:32] Jessica St. Clair: That’s for sure.

[00:07:35] June Diane Raphael: There’s truly, I’ve never seen anything like this. Like this is, this came out in 2024.

[00:07:40] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:07:42] Jason Mantzoukas: June off stage did say, when did this come out?

[00:07:44] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. It because to have one woman, there is one female character in this movie.

[00:07:52] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:07:52] Jessica St. Clair: And then you lose track at the end. What happened to her?

[00:07:56] June Diane Raphael: Don’t know.

[00:07:57] Jessica St. Clair: She’s gone.

[00:07:58] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m so sorry. There’s the, there’s the female pilot who’s an essential part of his crew whose face we never see.

[00:08:03] Jessica St. Clair: Never. Was paid as an extra. They were like, we don’t have the money. Just shoot her from behind.

[00:08:09] June Diane Raphael: At a certain point. Cause I actually there, I thought that there wa there was a lot of energy spent not seeing her to the point where I was like, she’s gonna be someone special.

[00:08:18] Paul Scheer: Right. We want that kind of connection.

[00:08:19] June Diane Raphael: We’re gonna see her. Yeah. And then as the movie went on, I said, where is she? Where is she? Where is she?

[00:08:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope.

[00:08:23] June Diane Raphael: And then at one point I thought, that was his mom. Oh, because I, I would make, ’cause I had to make some whatcha Are you talking? I thought it had, it has to be his mom. They’re gonna reveal it’s his mom.

[00:08:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:08:36] June Diane Raphael: And we got back together and he found her, and now she’s working for him.

[00:08:40] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love that.

[00:08:40] Jessica St. Clair: Crazy.

[00:08:40] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love that. By the way, better movie, by the way. Immediately. Better movie.

[00:08:42] June Diane Raphael: But my mind had.

[00:08:45] Jason Mantzoukas: I wish my mom was a pilot.

[00:08:46] June Diane Raphael: I, I would love to work for both of my sons at, in the Future, by the way.

[00:08:50] Jason Mantzoukas: As a pilot?

[00:08:50] June Diane Raphael: That’s like a dream. But, but I had to make these connections and I had to make these storylines because none were provided to me as a viewer.

[00:09:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Would it, would it, can I?

[00:09:01] Jessica St. Clair: No connective tissue.

[00:09:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I have a, I have a, a question and you very well may, but do you guys know which superhero this movie is directly related?

[00:09:09] Paul Scheer: You are right in the pocket where I.

[00:09:11] Jessica St. Clair: I didn’t know.

[00:09:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.

[00:09:14] Jessica St. Clair: It was a superhero movie.

[00:09:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.

[00:09:16] Paul Scheer: Oh wow.

[00:09:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait until, when are you just finding out now?

[00:09:19] Jessica St. Clair: Honestly, until.

[00:09:22] June Diane Raphael: This is crazy.

[00:09:23] Jessica St. Clair: Until that guy turned into a rhino at the end.

[00:09:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. So you did notice.

[00:09:28] Jessica St. Clair: I’m not joking. This is No, this is not a bit, I didn’t know. I just thought this is a story about a man who can talk to animals.

[00:09:38] Jason Mantzoukas: So, uh, sort of like a, a, a Dr. Doolittle with abs.

[00:09:40] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.

[00:09:42] June Diane Raphael: Great. I’ve gotta tell you, Jess, not.

[00:09:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Shredded Dolittle.

[00:09:44] June Diane Raphael: I’m not that far off. I also.

[00:09:48] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s right. High five show. Doing high five this tour.

[00:09:52] June Diane Raphael: I also, that’s not my kind of superhero. What? He’s a, he’s an assassin, he’s a murderer. And I agree with a lot of what he’s doing, but, and I do see his eyes turning and I do see he can scale walls aside from that. Okay. Aside from scaling walls.

[00:10:11] Paul Scheer: Like lions.

[00:10:13] June Diane Raphael: You tell me, right.

[00:10:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Would it surprise you if I said this character?

[00:10:18] Paul Scheer: Oh, don’t, you’re not gonna reveal it just yet, are you?

[00:10:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m not gonna reveal. It is primarily known as a villain. What is a is the villain to a very popular superhero. This is amazing

[00:10:29] Jessica St. Clair: Spider-Man?

[00:10:30] Jason Mantzoukas: It is a Spider-Man villain. This is Kraven The Hunter. A huge Spider-Man villain.

[00:10:34] Jessica St. Clair: Is that true?

[00:10:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Huge. That true.

[00:10:36] June Diane Raphael: See what I was gonna say.

[00:10:37] Jessica St. Clair: But they’re both fighting for justice.

[00:10:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, it, I agree. They are trying to weirdly make him a hero in this movie. And he is a villain.

[00:10:45] Jessica St. Clair: Well, that’s your first problem.

[00:10:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Primarily for a storyline in the Spider-Man comics where he kills Spider-Man, buries him in the ground, and then lives as Spider-Man, trying to be a better Spider-Man.

[00:10:56] Jessica St. Clair: Well, that’s a dick move.

[00:10:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Spoiler alert for Kraven’s Last hunt. Um. And it’s, and and so to watch this, I was like, this is mystifying.

[00:11:06] June Diane Raphael: Wow. Uh, by the way, I do have, I mean I have that issue with Disney movies now too, where every villain has to like have all humanity restored and I’m like, let a villain be a villain.

[00:11:15] Jessica St. Clair: Sometimes Scar is just Scar.

[00:11:17] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Sometimes Donald Trump is Donald Trump.

[00:11:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Guy’s gotta be bad.

[00:11:21] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[00:11:21] Paul Scheer: Here is a thing that you should know. Um.

[00:11:24] Jessica St. Clair: Wait, I just heard you. This is how fucked up this movie has made me. I just heard you say he at ease. He is like, people are now sounding vaguely Russian to me when they’re not meaning he at ease the problem.

[00:11:36] Paul Scheer: He little thing that you should know, which is this, they can’t reference Spider-Man in these movies.

[00:11:44] Jessica St. Clair: Why?

[00:11:44] Paul Scheer: This is Sony’s version of the Marvel world and they only can really reference these side characters.

[00:11:52] Jason Mantzoukas: So the characters that are in this world are Venom. Uh, uh, Morbius who we did, uh, a few years ago.

[00:11:58] Jessica St. Clair: June has no memory of it.

[00:12:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, the Vampire Jared Leto Vampire. Remember? Okay.

[00:12:03] Jessica St. Clair: Still nothing.

[00:12:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep. No, listen, I wish I could erase it from my mind.

[00:12:09] Paul Scheer: And, and now Kraven, so they can never reference Spider-Man. That could never exist with Spider-Man. So they have to live.

[00:12:17] June Diane Raphael: The thing that makes me so mad though, Paul, sorry to interrupt, but I’m like.

[00:12:20] I wanna say to all the men of the world, there are other problems to solve. Like let’s not be working out how we can, how we can reference Spider-Man, but not, but also tie.

[00:12:31] Jessica St. Clair: Imagine if the Great Minds got together.

[00:12:34] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. It’s like other things.

[00:12:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Collectively, collectively, they’ve probably spent over a billion dollars making Spider-Man adjacent movies.

[00:12:43] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:12:44] Jason Mantzoukas: That do not reference Spider-Man at all.

[00:12:47] June Diane Raphael: How strange.

[00:12:48] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s fucking wild.

[00:12:51] Paul Scheer: Bizarre in the weirdest way. It would. Yeah. It, it really is. It’s, it’s weird and that’s why this movie doesn’t work in many ways, but I’ll say this. That opening I thought was great. I was like, I’m in the prison. This is cool. Then we gotta go back 16 years.

[00:13:08] Like, I gotta find out how this motherfucker became this guy. I don’t care.

[00:13:12] Jessica St. Clair: And that felt like a prince, prince Harry and William story to me. You know, I thought we were looking at, you know, the royal family.

[00:13:18] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. The air in the spare.

[00:13:20] Jessica St. Clair: The air in the spare, which is another lens. And if we could spend time talking about the Meghan Markle series, I’d have a better time tonight.

[00:13:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Let’s get into it. Let’s dig on.

[00:13:29] June Diane Raphael: Well. ,

[00:13:30] Paul Scheer: I will say.

[00:13:31] June Diane Raphael: There were some fundamental things I didn’t understand, though. One is when they kept on calling the other brother, the spare, a bastard. It is Ru So is Russell Crow not his father?

[00:13:43] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s his father.

[00:13:44] Jessica St. Clair: But not the mom. It’s a different mom.

[00:13:45] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s a different mother.

[00:13:46] June Diane Raphael: Where’s that woman?

[00:13:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I’m sure he’s killed her as well. He’s,

[00:13:51] Jessica St. Clair: He’s a, he’s a praying mantis.

[00:13:52] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s a true villain.

[00:13:53] Paul Scheer: Russell Crow is not a good dad.

[00:13:56] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. Um, but the way, by the way, I thought it was John Goodman.

[00:14:01] Paul Scheer: Wait, hold on.

[00:14:02] Jessica St. Clair: No joke. First time I saw him, I said, Ooh, here’s a dramatic turn for John Goodman. Good for him. Those are some nice residuals.

[00:14:11] Paul Scheer: You saw his neckerchief and you were like, alright, John Goodman.

[00:14:14] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.

[00:14:15] Jason Mantzoukas: You were like, oh shit, King Ralph’s in this?

[00:14:18] Jessica St. Clair: Truth.

[00:14:19] Paul Scheer: The fact that that Russell Crowe pops in with a heavy Russian accent. I was like, I’m in, I’m a hundred for that.

[00:14:27] Jessica St. Clair: And I thought, he great.

[00:14:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I wish he’d been in the whole movie. I wish he was in the movie front to back.

[00:14:31] June Diane Raphael: And I didn’t bat an eye at that accent, neither. Like, got it, love it. Keep going.

[00:14:35] Paul Scheer: Because he is got a commitment to it like.

[00:14:37] June Diane Raphael: He does.

[00:14:37] Paul Scheer: Most people, when they’re uncomfortable with their accent, they’ll like. Would, they’re like quietly, like I am speaking in Russian.

[00:14:44] He’s like, I’m speaking in Russian. And it’ll be this, and sometimes it will be like a pirate.

[00:14:49] Jason Mantzoukas: But it definitely, it sounds so much like the Italian priest, Exorcist priest. And it also sounds exactly like his Zeus from the um

[00:15:00] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.

[00:15:00] Jason Mantzoukas: From the Thor movie.

[00:15:01] Paul Scheer: He’s got one kind of big.

[00:15:03] Jason Mantzoukas: These are the same accent all across. And I mean, I’d rather honestly listen to 30 odd foot of grunts.

[00:15:11] Paul Scheer: Good band. They know how to party.

[00:15:13] June Diane Raphael: Well, the real mystery is how the younger, the younger brother has no accent when we see him.

[00:15:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:15:20] June Diane Raphael: And I mean, none.

[00:15:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, no. And when Aaron Taylor Johnson’s not doing Russian stuff, he sounds like he’s doing a Matthew McConaughey.

[00:15:25] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:15:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Like when she’s like, did you do it? And he switches for the first time into his American accent, and he’s like,

[00:15:30] June Diane Raphael: Horrible.

[00:15:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Good for me, bad for him. I thought he was gonna be like, all right, all right, all right.

[00:15:34] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:15:34] Paul Scheer: And he takes off his shirt like, yep. He’s freezing cold.

[00:15:38] Jason Mantzoukas: But they, most of the movie, they live in London. Like, I don’t understand what, what is the world of this movie? Does this movie take place in a world where everybody can be anywhere in half an hour? Like when they’re like, we think he’s in Siberia. They drive there in trucks. How? Last I checked, you were in Turkey, motherfuckers. What’s happening?

[00:15:59] Paul Scheer: Now I know that we’ve already revealed that yes, Kraven is a villain in the Spider-Man world. There’s some other characters in here that are also established people, and if you are confused, uh, they really hammer it home when they introduce Calypso and say her name 15 times in 35 seconds.

[00:16:14] Jessica St. Clair: Is she a person?

[00:16:15] Is she a she is a person? Marvel Universe?

[00:16:17] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:16:17] Jason Mantzoukas: She’s also a Spider-Man villain.

[00:16:18] Paul Scheer: Listen, Calypso.

[00:16:19] June Diane Raphael: Villain.

[00:16:20] Paul Scheer: Villain.

[00:16:20] Jason Mantzoukas: And is, and is connected to Kraven.

[00:16:22] Jessica St. Clair: Villain.

[00:16:23] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:16:24] June Diane Raphael: Villain. Huh?

[00:16:25] Paul Scheer: She speaks.

[00:16:26] Jessica St. Clair: Villain.

[00:16:27] June Diane Raphael: Huh? Period.

[00:16:28] Paul Scheer: Calypso, who is the lawyer, who. Like at a certain point we set up Kraven is the hunter.

[00:16:35] He can find anyone. He found her off of a tarot card. That’s all he had. And he is like, Hey look, I need your help finding people. What? Wait a second.

[00:16:44] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t know if.

[00:16:45] Paul Scheer: Wait a second.

[00:16:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t know if you’ve heard him, but Kraven is a Hunter.

[00:16:49] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:16:51] Jessica St. Clair: There’s so many ellipses in everything he says.

[00:16:53] Jason Mantzoukas: People. I have a lisp.

[00:16:57] Paul Scheer: I love it. I love it. It’s like a CrossFit instructor is is in a superhero movie.

[00:17:02] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.

[00:17:02] Paul Scheer: It’s like, yeah, man, I’m, I’m doing it. I’m, I’m doing like he is well, but the other, he’s got a lot of assuredness in this character and I think you need it when your powers are so hard to figure out what they are. Right?

[00:17:15] June Diane Raphael: Like what are they Paul?

[00:17:17] Paul Scheer: I don’t know. Well, I’m saying like, I’m like, yes, he’s a hunter. Which I get, but he seems to have a lot of powers that a, a lion would have. Right?

[00:17:24] June Diane Raphael: Can I say something? He, in the beginning is really critical of his dad for using a gun to fight an animal.

[00:17:33] Paul Scheer: Right.

[00:17:33] June Diane Raphael: And he makes a, a pretty sweeping statement about like weapons and human hunting and, but then he uses weapons all the time.

[00:17:42] Paul Scheer: To hunt people.

[00:17:43] Jason Mantzoukas: To hunt people, but, and usually that, and usually not guns. Usually like bladed weapons you’ll see.

[00:17:49] June Diane Raphael: Which by the way.

[00:17:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Like his armory is all like knives.

[00:17:52] June Diane Raphael: Well, I guess just, but I’m trying to understand what his ideology is, what he lived by.

[00:17:58] Paul Scheer: Russell crow. Russell Crow. Like what he’s upset is animals don’t have guns. Like if an animal had a gun. He could use a gun.

[00:18:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that’s what, that’s, that’s it. Arm the animals. Right, Texas, who’s with me?

[00:18:10] Jessica St. Clair: Woo.

[00:18:12] Paul Scheer: Which by the way, Marvel did do in a series called Brute Force.

[00:18:17] June Diane Raphael: Oh no.

[00:18:17] Paul Scheer: Uh, which was like a dolphin with a machine gun, uh, that also turned into a motorcycle.

[00:18:22] Jason Mantzoukas: The best thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a dog with a gun. No? Look at Texas.

[00:18:28] Paul Scheer: But that, but I think that that is it. Like, I think it’s explained here. Uh, Beth, can you play clip two?

[00:18:34] Movie Audio: Look away.

[00:18:35] We should talk.

[00:18:37] Save your breath.

[00:18:39] No, it’s a condition.

[00:18:41] Paul Scheer: Oh, there’s a rhino.

[00:18:41] Movie Audio: As long as I take a few breaks here and there. One thing that you should know about me is that I’m always thinking of the future. I want you to be my partner.

[00:18:53] Jessica St. Clair: Doesn’t he look like John Goodman right now? He looks like Dan from Roseanne getting home the factory. Right?

[00:19:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Shut. Shut the fuck up, Donny.

[00:19:03] Paul Scheer: I thought it was Jason Schwartzman.

[00:19:06] Jason Mantzoukas: You’re out of your element, Donny.

[00:19:09] Paul Scheer: Jason Schwarzman and John Goodman in.

[00:19:11] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:19:11] Movie Audio: So what can some noname non-existent.

[00:19:13] Paul Scheer: High five.

[00:19:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Except Schwartzman got the, the co, the, uh, no country Anton Shigur hair.

[00:19:21] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:19:21] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s like, gimme the Shigur hair.

[00:19:23] Paul Scheer: We could stop the, I I, but I believe that what they’re kind of saying is you basically hunt to the, uh, to the predators. Like capabilities, right? So if you’re fighting a human and they have a gun, you can have a gun. Right?

[00:19:36] Jessica St. Clair: That’s fair.

[00:19:37] Paul Scheer: Because it’s fair. And I think what the son didn’t like was, here’s a poor lion. My dad’s using a gun. What a jerk.

[00:19:43] June Diane Raphael: So what, in that scenario, what would he have preferred his dad use?

[00:19:47] Paul Scheer: His bare hands.

[00:19:48] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.

[00:19:48] Paul Scheer: Or, or a tiger’s tooth.

[00:19:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:19:53] Jessica St. Clair: Guys in that scene, he said to that guy, to Rhino, he said, I’m teaching my sons the joy of stalking.

[00:20:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:20:00] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:20:01] Jessica St. Clair: And you’re bothering me.

[00:20:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:20:03] Jessica St. Clair: Like this is.

[00:20:03] Paul Scheer: I can’t wait to do that for my sons.

[00:20:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:20:06] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. Like we need a child psychologist immediately because this.

[00:20:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Do we do we though, because it’s all, I don’t even think this is subtext. This is text. Yeah, this is text. This is how you create monsters.

[00:20:17] Jessica St. Clair: Yes. When, when the mother dies, he just says, we go to hut. Yeah. When someone says that to you, something bad.

[00:20:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:20:26] Jessica St. Clair: Is going to happen to you.

[00:20:27] Jason Mantzoukas: And keep in mind, normally these people are fighting a teenager in Queens. That’s what they’re normally in service of. Fighting a teenage web swinger from Queens.

[00:20:38] Paul Scheer: Well, now here’s the thing. In Spider-Man, when Spider-Man gets bit by the spider in every version of Spider-Man, we have to always see it. Uh, when he is learning how to be Spider-Man, he does like, whoa, whoa. What’s this? What’s going on? When this motherfucker gets the blood of a lion and drinks some syrup, he is doing everything and has seemingly no reaction. Like, he climbs up a whole building and you’re like, he’s like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:21:04] Jason Mantzoukas: He never re he never is like, what’s going on with me?

[00:21:07] Paul Scheer: He never has a question.

[00:21:08] Jason Mantzoukas: He explains it to anyone. Never.

[00:21:09] June Diane Raphael: Well, because we have a, a 15 year time jump, so we never get to see that. But what.

[00:21:14] Paul Scheer: We see him outta the hospital, he climbs up a wall immediately.

[00:21:18] June Diane Raphael: I guess we do.

[00:21:18] Jason Mantzoukas: And he does, we do get the, the, the visual effect of him having like a, a zoom in vision.

[00:21:24] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:21:24] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s like having a telescope in a video game.

[00:21:26] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm. But do lions have that? Yeah.

[00:21:30] Paul Scheer: I don’t know. I mean, does he have a bat power? He has a lot of powers. He, he also, I will say this, don’t trust New York City. I think it’s a New York City hospital. I don’t trust that hospital. That ER was way too chill. Uh, they fly him in, they’re operating like, ah, he’s dead. And then, then that doctor’s is like, well, all right, so what do I gotta do tonight? Um, he wakes up, she goes, oh shit. Like, you know, like, they’re like, like they’re leaving him in there just cooking.

[00:21:57] Jessica St. Clair: Just dead.

[00:21:57] Jason Mantzoukas: What’s so interesting is there’s an element of this that is inside of, I know where you, we didn’t get to play the Calypso clip, but inside of Calypso’s world, a world of like magic and potions and, and, and tarot cards or, or, or the, these cards and spirituality and all this stuff That’s so interesting, and all of her whole thing just gets plugged into this dumb dildo.

[00:22:18] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:22:19] Jason Mantzoukas: He gets to soak it up and run around.

[00:22:20] Jessica St. Clair: How about she drinks the thing? I’d like her to drink her own potion. No, but she had an extra one.

[00:22:25] Paul Scheer: No, when she had that extra one, it’s like, ugh. Well, we don’t have another one. Actually, I did. Sorry. I did. I did.

[00:22:32] June Diane Raphael: What is her, what are her superpowers moving forward after this movie?

[00:22:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I couldn’t quite tell you. I’m not. Calypso’s a character I don’t know very well. It’s not a big character, but I’m sure there’s a nerd here who will uh, uh.

[00:22:44] Paul Scheer: Well, I will tell you June one.

[00:22:45] Jason Mantzoukas: There’s a Morgan in the room. Is there not a, is there a Marvel Morgan?

[00:22:49] Jessica St. Clair: Right there. Right there.

[00:22:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Back there, back there.

[00:22:51] Paul Scheer: I’ll say one of her powers is to build clients, uh, with, she has great excel skills, uh,

[00:22:57] Jessica St. Clair: Shoulder pads. Yeah, she had some real sharp shoulder pad pads.

[00:22:59] Paul Scheer: Well, lemme see if I can, all right, we’re gonna go talk to our Calypso expert.

[00:23:03] All right. Here we go. We flew ’em all the way in.

[00:23:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, there’s people that have jerks t-shirts.

[00:23:08] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Love jerks T-shirts.

[00:23:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Oh wow.

[00:23:11] Paul Scheer: If people are in costume. We wanna see it. Hi. How are, what’s your name?

[00:23:15] Audience Member: Jay.

[00:23:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Have your son in one? Great work. This kid is mortified.

[00:23:18] Jessica St. Clair: You’re traumatizing him like John Goodman does to Kraven.

[00:23:22] Jason Mantzoukas: The son, the son, for those who can’t is like this.

[00:23:26] Jessica St. Clair: He’s like, we go to hut, Dad.

[00:23:27] Jason Mantzoukas: You’re doing great.

[00:23:28] Jessica St. Clair: We go to hut.

[00:23:28] Jason Mantzoukas: You’re doing great. The son is the hero. The dad is the villain.

[00:23:32] Jessica St. Clair: We go to hut.

[00:23:32] Jason Mantzoukas: As we’ve learned from this movie, the son is the hero. The dad is the villain.

[00:23:36] Paul Scheer: Alright, so I’m here with a Doneso expert. Tell me. About Calypso what do you got?

[00:23:43] Audience Member: Hey, uh, long time listener. First name caller. Uh, my name’s Jay. Calypso is a voodoo sorcerer from Haiti.

[00:23:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. A Haitian voodoo sorcerer. Yes. That I do remember. But what are, what are her powers?

[00:23:54] Paul Scheer: Part-time lawyer??

[00:23:55] Audience Member: Not normally, no.

[00:23:56] Paul Scheer: Okay, got it.

[00:23:57] Audience Member: I, I think that’s like a side thing.

[00:23:59] Paul Scheer: Okay.

[00:23:59] Audience Member: Alright. But in the comics, her whole thing is like, she’s sometimes Kraven’s lover.

[00:24:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:24:04] Audience Member: But all the time, like his partner and basically she helps imbue him with the powers of the animals. So she gives him the potions and she.

[00:24:13] Paul Scheer: Oh, so she can give ’em like a snake part and that’s a great thing. All right. I like that.

[00:24:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. So,

[00:24:17] Jessica St. Clair: Okay.

[00:24:18] Jason Mantzoukas: So they working, they’re a good team. They work in concert. She’s giving him access to different animal.

[00:24:23] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, she’s giving him access. Yeah.

[00:24:25] Jason Mantzoukas: She’s also,

[00:24:26] Jessica St. Clair: Oh yeah.

[00:24:28] June Diane Raphael: So by the way, access, why didn’t we get to see a single smoochie?

[00:24:32] Jessica St. Clair: Thanks.

[00:24:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:24:34] June Diane Raphael: Waiting for it.

[00:24:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Because canonically people this hot don’t fuck.

[00:24:39] June Diane Raphael: What?

[00:24:39] Paul Scheer: Because people don’t know that cooking up is full of carbs. Give it up for Jay.

[00:24:43] Jason Mantzoukas: It does feel like, it does feel like Kraven and his family are a bunch of incels just roaming the country.

[00:24:52] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[00:24:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Truly. Just like, I feel like their hunting and party has the Tate brothers in it somewhere. Just tucked in like a couple of creeps.

[00:25:02] Paul Scheer: I, I did write down, I did write down at one point. 41 minutes and there’s still no discernible plot. Like there’s like, I don’t know what I’m, I’m just watching scenes. I’m getting an idea. I’m living in a world and I’m like, we should start. We should start

[00:25:17] Jessica St. Clair: Dmitri’s, uh, kidnapping happens very late, right?

[00:25:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Over 45 minutes in.

[00:25:23] Jessica St. Clair: Right? Because the thing with these movies that I don’t watch is like, it has to make it this time, it’s personal, right?

[00:25:29] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:25:29] Jessica St. Clair: I don’t know what’s that from, who cares? But it has to be personal.

[00:25:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Let it cook, let it it cook.

[00:25:35] Jessica St. Clair: Kidding notes. I’d say let’s make it personal.

[00:25:37] Paul Scheer: But this is the whole thing. The whole movie is like, we can’t know who Kraven is. ’cause then they’ll come after the people that you love. Well, he’s got two. Who cares? That’s it. And it doesn’t seem like he loves his dad. So he is really got one.

[00:25:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Also, that’s Spider-Man’s whole thing.

[00:25:50] Paul Scheer: Right.

[00:25:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Kraven The Hunter is like, I am Kraven the hunter. I’m here to hunt you. Get ready. That’s his whole thing is I’m Kraven the hunter. Hello? It’s me. I’m gonna hunt you now, Spider-Man. Little spider.

[00:26:01] Paul Scheer: When they show his little face.

[00:26:03] June Diane Raphael: I’m just curious, why does he want to hunt Spider-Man?

[00:26:07] Jason Mantzoukas: ’cause Spider-Man, he think

[00:26:09] Jessica St. Clair: Spider-Man is not in this film at all. But he’s getting so much air.

[00:26:13] June Diane Raphael: It’s simply more interesting than what we saw. Sorry.

[00:26:17] Jason Mantzoukas: It would be. I agree, because I agree. We do not understand. Theoretically, Kraven is hunting the bad guys. The poachers, the, the, the, the villains, the, the, the truly evil men.

[00:26:27] Paul Scheer: He’s making a list, checking it twice. Gonna find out if you’re naughty or nice. And if you’re naughty, you are fucking dead.

[00:26:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:26:33] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:26:34] Paul Scheer: He is Santa Claus of the jungle.

[00:26:36] Jason Mantzoukas: His list, I, he says I have a list so many times in this movie and he checks one person off.

[00:26:44] Paul Scheer: But by the way, it doesn’t seem like that’s his own list. It seemed like he got that list off of somebody’s desk.

[00:26:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Two, I guess two, that same room. He kills two guys in that room. That’s it.

[00:26:52] Jessica St. Clair: But that was that scene where he has that ledger had a great line, which is where is so and so. And he says you’re standing in him.

[00:27:01] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[00:27:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:27:02] Jessica St. Clair: That was a good line.

[00:27:04] June Diane Raphael: That was great.

[00:27:04] Paul Scheer: I like it.

[00:27:05] Jason Mantzoukas: No, it had, there was some fun like dumb stuff in there.

[00:27:07] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:27:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Absolutely.

[00:27:08] Paul Scheer: I love, I mean, I’m not.

[00:27:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you love the movie now? Do you love the movie now?

[00:27:12] Jessica St. Clair: I like it. Do you know what else I thought to myself? I thought a lot about the hair and I know that’s really June’s area and I knew, I didn’t think you were gonna be hair.

[00:27:19] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s June’s hair-rea.

[00:27:20] Jessica St. Clair: It’s your area. Did you say hair-rea?

[00:27:23] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah. High five him high. Give him a high five.

[00:27:26] Jessica St. Clair: Boo.

[00:27:26] June Diane Raphael: Gross.

[00:27:27] Jessica St. Clair: What I literally thought. This is the hair when Jason closes his eyes that he wants, like if I found out you, kravens, if I found out yes.

[00:27:39] Jason Mantzoukas: You think I want AJ’s hair?

[00:27:40] Jessica St. Clair: Yes, I feel like if I found, if I picked up your phone and I saw a screenshot of that guy’s hair and you brought it into your barbecue, give me this. Can you gimme the Kraven?

[00:27:50] Jason Mantzoukas: When have you ever seen me with slick back hair?

[00:27:52] Jessica St. Clair: That’s the hair you want.

[00:27:53] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s not.

[00:27:53] Jessica St. Clair: You can’t do it.

[00:27:56] Jason Mantzoukas: What?

[00:27:56] Jessica St. Clair: But you want it.

[00:27:57] Jason Mantzoukas: How?

[00:27:58] Jessica St. Clair: It’s time for you to stand up and tell the people, that’s what I want. You want that hair? You do.

[00:28:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I think you’re projecting your desire to have me looking like this as my desire. Me thinks now duff protest too much. See this, this just tells me I’m right. This ju this acting out tells me I’m right. Right Balcony?

[00:28:30] I would never look like this.

[00:28:33] Jessica St. Clair: Yep.

[00:28:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Number one, too hairless, too hairless. I’m not interested in this nonsense, nor should you be. Come on.

[00:28:43] Jessica St. Clair: Everybody’s interested in it, but those abs look like they’ve been piece at all.

[00:28:47] Jason Mantzoukas: If I played Kraven, which I would have loved to.

[00:28:50] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:28:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I would’ve been a Kraven who fucks. Okay?

[00:28:56] Jessica St. Clair: That’s your superpower.

[00:28:57] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s what I’m saying.

[00:28:58] Jessica St. Clair: Before you kill a bad guy, you fucked him to death.

[00:29:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Commit to you is if they sign me up for a superhero movie, my character will fuck.

[00:29:08] Jessica St. Clair: Also, you know what? People with beards, every, every person with the beard is a bad man. Every person on the in, this is a bad man. Bad, bad man.

[00:29:18] Paul Scheer: Well, by the way, Jason, I’m surprised they didn’t come. To you.

[00:29:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait a second. I didn’t, I didn’t love that ellipses.

[00:29:25] Paul Scheer: Oh, Jason, I’m surprised he didn’t come to you now. Uh, because the people who turned down the role of Kraven were Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves, John David Washington, Adam Driver.

[00:29:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Great.

[00:29:41] Paul Scheer: Everyone said, no. The movie was delayed for two years because people kept on saying, no, no, no.

[00:29:49] Jessica St. Clair: And what was this guy up to? He was working in CrossFit?

[00:29:51] Paul Scheer: They saw some footage of Bullet Train and they’re like, how about this guy?

[00:29:55] Jessica St. Clair: Great.

[00:29:56] Paul Scheer: And then they put him in. And by the way.

[00:29:57] June Diane Raphael: I, I thought he did a great job.

[00:29:58] Jessica St. Clair: He did a great job.

[00:29:59] Paul Scheer: I, I think that like, I think that like he, he played it. Thank you.

[00:30:02] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. He did a great, yeah. Oh, he did a great job.

[00:30:05] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s done no favors by this movie.

[00:30:07] Paul Scheer: No.

[00:30:08] Jason Mantzoukas: He is, I think Aaron Taylor Johnson is a very good actor.

[00:30:10] June Diane Raphael: He is.

[00:30:10] Jason Mantzoukas: But this movie is insufferably boring and oftentimes, we all collectively, the audience and all the other characters know what’s going on. =And Kraven doesn’t, his whole thing is, I know everything. I’m the hunter. I’m stalking you, I’m observing you. And then oftentimes he’s like, who, where’s Dmitri? Where am

[00:30:32] Paul Scheer: I shouldn’t have fallen asleep in the park with my shoes off.

[00:30:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, he’s bad. He’s bad. Like this. My, the whole thing about he should be ahead of me.

[00:30:40] June Diane Raphael: The problem is there, listen, there are some sequences, like the whole opening sequence I loved. But then there are other sequences, action sequences where he’s, when he doesn’t have his shoes on, he is running through the streets and you just hear those flat feet, ugh, on pavement, over and over, and, and over.

[00:30:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Can jump off of a skyscraper to the ground, but cannot catch them 40 feet away on flat ground.

[00:31:05] Paul Scheer: He can, he really is more just like a, a kitty cat.

[00:31:09] June Diane Raphael: That’s why, by the way, when you said he’s someone major’s, you know, nemesis, I thought. Well, Catwoman.

[00:31:17] Paul Scheer: Oh, mm.

[00:31:17] Jessica St. Clair: Course because he is doing a lot of planking. He.

[00:31:21] June Diane Raphael: Exactly.

[00:31:21] Jessica St. Clair: He has to plank.

[00:31:22] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.

[00:31:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Boy, does that look good drawn in comics and does it not look good in person.

[00:31:28] Paul Scheer: I, I will, I will also tell you.

[00:31:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Walking on all fours, like.

[00:31:32] Paul Scheer: Maybe we figured it.

[00:31:33] Jessica St. Clair: It’s like that woman from the, the grudge or what is it? The thing that crawl.

[00:31:36] June Diane Raphael: The Ring.

[00:31:36] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.

[00:31:36] June Diane Raphael: The going up the well. The ring.

[00:31:38] Jason Mantzoukas: What does she do?

[00:31:40] Jessica St. Clair: She crawls up. Gets you in the shower.

[00:31:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, the grudge woman gets you in the shower?

[00:31:45] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. Right?

[00:31:46] Paul Scheer: She’s coming outta the shower, Jess. That’s what. I’m in your shower. She’s always in your shower, leaving long, dark hair.

[00:31:56] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m gonna, I’m gonna grudge you. Watch out. You’re gonna get grudged.

[00:31:59] Jessica St. Clair: I got grudge on you.

[00:32:01] Paul Scheer: Maybe =that’s the reason why they don’t hook up is because he is got like that same thing like a cat’s tongue. So it feels like sandpaper.

[00:32:06] June Diane Raphael: Oh. Oh. Paul.

[00:32:09] Jason Mantzoukas: How do, wait, do you know that from making out with your cat?

[00:32:11] Paul Scheer: I know it from my fanfic, where he goes down on Calypso and she’s like, oh, ow.

[00:32:18] Jessica St. Clair: Ew.

[00:32:18] June Diane Raphael: Sorry.

[00:32:19] Jessica St. Clair: Ew.

[00:32:19] June Diane Raphael: I’m sorry everyone.

[00:32:20] Paul Scheer: You should read it. It’s in the lobby.

[00:32:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Put some potion on there first. Put some potion on there first.

[00:32:25] Paul Scheer: Um, here’s the thing that got me is Kraven seemingly has been living in the jungle. Since he’s 16, like he leaves lives in the jungle, builds that nice little, uh.

[00:32:39] June Diane Raphael: By the way, let’s talk about what he built. I’m like, don’t worry about all of these bad guys on that list of yours. Like, you have a wonderful career ahead of you in architecture and design.

[00:32:51] Jason Mantzoukas: He, he’s lives in a geodesic dome in Siberia.

[00:32:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah,

[00:32:54] June Diane Raphael: I thought it was gorgeous.

[00:32:55] Jessica St. Clair: I wanna see that in Dwell Magazine, you know.

[00:32:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Also, there’s no way. Also he lives in the middle of Siberia and there isn’t snow on the ground once.

[00:33:04] June Diane Raphael: No.

[00:33:04] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s global warming.

[00:33:06] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:33:07] Paul Scheer: Um, I had an issue with this, I don’t know if anyone captured it. When Kraven goes to have that fun run in the middle where it’s like Kraven in the city and he goes to visit his.

[00:33:15] Jessica St. Clair: Like Caroline in the city?

[00:33:17] Paul Scheer: Or sex in the city.

[00:33:18] Jessica St. Clair: That’s right.

[00:33:19] Paul Scheer: The more popular one.

[00:33:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I would’ve loved it.

[00:33:20] Paul Scheer: Did Caroline in the city? Yes. Oh, very popular. And.

[00:33:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, give it up for Leah Thompson. Leah Thompson, a classic lady of the eighties right there.

[00:33:31] Paul Scheer: Love Leah Thompson.

[00:33:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, and, no, no, no. I would’ve loved it if in the middle of this movie, Kraven had been on a date with Samantha from Sex and the City. And he was like, rawr. She was like, honey.

[00:33:42] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:33:43] June Diane Raphael: That’s a great pair.

[00:33:44] Paul Scheer: So when he goes to surprise his brother in his loft, uh, his brother’s in the shower, and when he comes outta the shower, he is in a full bathrobe.

[00:33:50] Jessica St. Clair: I noticed that. What’s puts there, unless you have a very large shower, like at the gym sometimes.

[00:33:57] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Exactly.

[00:33:57] Jason Mantzoukas: I I have a question for June. June, how do you feel about men in a bathrobe?

[00:34:02] June Diane Raphael: That’s such a great question.

[00:34:05] Jessica St. Clair: It’s a good area.

[00:34:06] June Diane Raphael: I only wanna see a man in a bathrobe at a spa.

[00:34:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Great.

[00:34:11] June Diane Raphael: I don’t wanna see men in bathrobes at home.

[00:34:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Here’s what I’m not interested in wearing a bathrobe. Get it off of my body. Get it outta here. Not interested.

[00:34:21] Jessica St. Clair: June we have a, we have a friend who hooked up with somebody who had not only a bathrobe for themselves, but one for their overnight guests.

[00:34:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Was it Nick Knolty?

[00:34:31] Jessica St. Clair: Like you wouldn’t. Yes, it was Nick Nolte. But Jason, if somebody, if you slept with someone and then they’re like, here, you want this extra bathrobe you, I’m not fucking touching that.

[00:34:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, I’m in their house?

[00:34:41] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:34:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.

[00:34:43] June Diane Raphael: It’s clean. It’s been laundered.

[00:34:45] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s wild.

[00:34:47] Paul Scheer: I, I think it’s. It, it, it definitely throws a lot more questions up.

[00:34:52] June Diane Raphael: I know, but it also depends on the size because like I’m okay with a really oversized bath robe where a man looks really tiny. Yeah. Like that’s fun.

[00:35:02] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.

[00:35:02] Jason Mantzoukas: So you want him to look like it’s a Home Alone scenario.

[00:35:05] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. He’s like so small in it, but I don’t love when like, the hem of it is right here. Like I don’t want liner or a kimono. Yeah. I don’t wanna see that.

[00:35:15] Jason Mantzoukas: You don’t want a kimono cut?

[00:35:16] June Diane Raphael: No.

[00:35:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:35:20] Paul Scheer: Why is his name Kraven?

[00:35:22] June Diane Raphael: Great question, Paul.

[00:35:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Paul, I believe because his last name is Kraven off.

[00:35:26] Paul Scheer: Well, they pronounce it different. They pronounce it. Kravinoff. Right? So should it be Kaven?

[00:35:32] Jason Mantzoukas: But his is american accent. It’s Kraven. What’s up? Hey, I’m cr I’m K Kraven. I’m Russian born. American schooled. I live in Siberia. I’m an international man of mystery.

[00:35:44] Jessica St. Clair: That’s a hinge profile. I am not going to click on it.

[00:35:47] Jason Mantzoukas: I’ve got an 8 pack but I don’t fuck.

[00:35:51] Jessica St. Clair: Seriously, which.

[00:35:52] Paul Scheer: Because of my cat’s tongue.

[00:35:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Don’t swipe on me if you aren’t cool with me wearing fur.

[00:36:02] June Diane Raphael: Okay. Speaking of fur, to jump to the, to jump to the end of the movie, now that I know, now that I know he’s Spider-Man’s villain, it’s all making a little bit more sense.

[00:36:12] Paul Scheer: Is it?

[00:36:12] June Diane Raphael: But also, no, it’s not at all.

[00:36:14] Jessica St. Clair: Not nothing’s helping me.

[00:36:15] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, because I did get that he was becoming a villain when he put that. That sweater vest on, but.

[00:36:25] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s here. It’s here behind us. This is the iconic.

[00:36:27] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.

[00:36:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Kraven like the lion’s main vest.

[00:36:31] Paul Scheer: So, okay. But he was given that vest by his father, his dad, who he killed. But then the brother’s like, oh, by the way, dad left you something. So at that point the dad must have been like, I guess my son’s gonna kill me.

[00:36:43] June Diane Raphael: But here’s the thing, the story between him and his brother, the brother is so upset that his.

[00:36:49] Paul Scheer: The chameleon.

[00:36:49] June Diane Raphael: Yes. The chameleon is so upset that Kraven left him when he was 16 years old.

[00:36:54] Jessica St. Clair: As he should be.

[00:36:55] June Diane Raphael: But, but I thought that dad said the brother was going back to school in New York.

[00:37:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe he did.

[00:37:01] Paul Scheer: He did.

[00:37:01] June Diane Raphael: So that’s a great life.

[00:37:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:37:04] June Diane Raphael: No, it was the life his brother had before and it is away from his father.

[00:37:08] Paul Scheer: June. Think about it like this, 16 years ago in New York, impressions were just not a big form of entertainment. So you have this impressionist go there. And people are like, we don’t want to see impressions of.

[00:37:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, that’s why had to open a piano bar in London.

[00:37:23] Paul Scheer: So he, he came to New York with great, he was like the next rich little Fred t trave. He, and he is like, oh, buddy, you should have been here in the eighties. That’s when impressions were big, you know? And then, I know.

[00:37:34] June Diane Raphael: I guess I just didn’t understand why the, the brother was painting this as though he had been left with the father the whole time.

[00:37:42] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.

[00:37:42] June Diane Raphael: I, I don’t think that that was true.

[00:37:44] Jason Mantzoukas: No. Because the father wants to keep Kraven with him, he says, you’ll stay here with me and will send the bastard away, basically is essentially what he’s saying. He’s trying to John Snow him to the wall.

[00:37:55] June Diane Raphael: Right.

[00:37:56] Paul Scheer: I think it’s because he sent him to Fordham and he really wanted to go to Columbia.

[00:38:00] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, Jesus. I, I actually thought it was a big problem in the movie because, you know, the Save the cat moment, right.

[00:38:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, they didn’t save the cat. They killed that lion.

[00:38:10] Jessica St. Clair: They killed it. First of all, to be clear, killed the lion.

[00:38:12] Jason Mantzoukas: That was not saved.

[00:38:13] Jessica St. Clair: And then you’re like, oh, I thought Kraven was a big dick when he left him behind. I’m like, why don’t you bring Dmitri along? You know, like, put him in a side saddle. You know what I mean?

[00:38:22] Paul Scheer: He can have Dmitri learn how to fly the helicopter.

[00:38:25] Jessica St. Clair: Thank you.

[00:38:26] Jason Mantzoukas: He does.

[00:38:26] Jessica St. Clair: And he left him behind , he goes, uh, you’ll, I won’t be gone forever. Fuck you. You leave me with my abusive dad. What do you think’s gonna happen to me? I’m gonna turn into a chameleon.

[00:38:35] Paul Scheer: He does. Well, by the way, he doesn’t even turn into a chameleon. It’s, it’s a year later. So it’s like after the events of this movie, when the dad is dead, the guy’s like. Shit. Maybe I should go to New York and meet like a sorcerer because he is not evil until the movie is over. Which is the craziest fucking turn.

[00:38:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, no, it’s part, it’s because when he’s with the rhino and the rhino tells him about the, so the rhino’s power inexplicably is derived from his backpack.

[00:39:03] Jessica St. Clair: Tiny backpack.

[00:39:04] June Diane Raphael: Now let’s get into it, Jason.

[00:39:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I wanna be clear. Like I, as you know, I love a backpack and is this a, is this an ever goods, is this a Tom Ben?

[00:39:12] Paul Scheer: A topo?

[00:39:13] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s not. It’s not even a topo design.

[00:39:15] Paul Scheer: No.

[00:39:16] Jason Mantzoukas: No, it’s not. It’s not. It’s some dog shit backpack. It’s some weird dog shit backpack. A full of nonsense scientific gga. Who cares? Right? And his whole thing is he’s, it’s got, he’s got it jacked into his body and it’s giving him like venom juice. And correct me if I’m wrong, expert from uh, Marvel, but this is not how the Rhino works, right?

[00:39:37] Audience Member: Correct.

[00:39:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank you. Okay. So, so that fact that that.

[00:39:41] Paul Scheer: Basically. Basically keeping him at bay, like he’s circulating a kind of.

[00:39:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Let it be the rhino. Would it be the rhino all the time?

[00:39:48] Jessica St. Clair: I just wanna say one thing. Does everyone know that Jason in the year 2000.

[00:39:53] Paul Scheer: Had a backpack.

[00:39:54] Jessica St. Clair: Had a hard shell backpack that quote, he called his Go Bagg that had at any time in New York City what he needed to survive.

[00:40:04] June Diane Raphael: Wow.

[00:40:05] Jessica St. Clair: In Siberia. Truly.

[00:40:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Not in Siberia.

[00:40:08] Jessica St. Clair: If shit went bad.

[00:40:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:40:10] Jessica St. Clair: Like that’s so that is what.

[00:40:11] Paul Scheer: I got one of those.

[00:40:12] Jessica St. Clair: The morning. Well, I hope shit doesn’t get crazy. Let me get my hard shell go bag.

[00:40:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:40:16] Jessica St. Clair: You are Kraven, minus the haircut.

[00:40:18] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I wish I was Kraven.

[00:40:21] Jessica St. Clair: There we go. And now we’re getting.

[00:40:23] Jason Mantzoukas: I wish I had his hair. Oh no.

[00:40:24] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:40:24] June Diane Raphael: So are you saying? He said it. He said it. Are you saying, Jess, that you think that the Rhino should have had a hard shell backpack?

[00:40:33] Jessica St. Clair: It was hard shell, wasn’t it?

[00:40:34] Jason Mantzoukas: No, it, I don’t think it was actually.

[00:40:36] Paul Scheer: It was soft.

[00:40:36] Jason Mantzoukas: It was like, it was like a fucking douchey tech bro backpack. I, yes.

[00:40:40] Paul Scheer: It was like, I bike to work, but there’s nothing in that backpack.

[00:40:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Boy, no. Every backpack in this movie is empty. When they’re hunting in the, the, like in, in Africa or wherever, and they’re all wearing big giant backpacks, their light is a feather.

[00:40:54] June Diane Raphael: Wow.

[00:40:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Ha ha. And the backpacks are like, they’re empty.

[00:40:57] Jessica St. Clair: You’re like, Doro the Explorer.

[00:40:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Bubble wrap in them. It’s embarrassing.

[00:41:02] June Diane Raphael: Wow.

[00:41:02] Jason Mantzoukas: It makes me feel like these men can’t carry weight.

[00:41:07] Paul Scheer: Wow.

[00:41:07] June Diane Raphael: Did you just give this movie like a separate backpack watch or?

[00:41:12] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:41:12] June Diane Raphael: Were you watch both Watching the film and watching the.

[00:41:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I watched backpack scene twice. I’m looking for labels. I’m looking for weight distribution.

[00:41:19] Jessica St. Clair: That’s fucked up.

[00:41:19] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m looking for who’s using a detachable hip belt.

[00:41:22] Jessica St. Clair: That’s fucked up.

[00:41:22] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m looking for materials. What de near Corda is the, are these, are these dyma? What?

[00:41:29] Jessica St. Clair: That’s fucked up.

[00:41:30] Jason Mantzoukas: I feel I’m losing you, but I don’t care.

[00:41:33] Paul Scheer: I was wondering why he wasn’t wearing a fanny pack, because I was thinking when he is in that car, I’m like, oh, that’s uncomfortable. You always have to be like your back. You know? It’s like it’s too uncomfortable.

[00:41:42] Jason Mantzoukas: He doesn’t need all the space in the backpack.

[00:41:43] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:41:44] Jason Mantzoukas: It could easily be condensed into a fanny pack or

[00:41:46] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:41:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Or sling.

[00:41:47] Paul Scheer: And there’s some really nice attractive fanny packs he could be wearing.

[00:41:49] Jessica St. Clair: Well, and I think if it was hard shell, which I would argue it should be if it’s protecting this scientific.

[00:41:55] June Diane Raphael: And also he’s a rhino.

[00:41:57] Jessica St. Clair: But, but my point is yes, and.

[00:42:00] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s not imposing at all.

[00:42:03] Jessica St. Clair: But that’s my point. Should. As the backpack expert, should it have been bigger? If it was hard shell, would we have thought turtle?

[00:42:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:42:12] Jessica St. Clair: Dangerous turtle. Hero in a half shell.

[00:42:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:42:15] Jessica St. Clair: Hero in a half shell.

[00:42:16] Jason Mantzoukas: It very much could have turned into the turtle character.

[00:42:20] Jessica St. Clair: Okay.

[00:42:20] Jason Mantzoukas: From a Master of Disguise.

[00:42:21] Jessica St. Clair: Okay.

[00:42:22] Jason Mantzoukas: So that’s where, this is a pistachio disguising scenario.

[00:42:25] Paul Scheer: But by the way, I will say a rhino is not synonymous for having a shell on his back. Nor, and I’ll say it again, a rhino never forgets. Uh, they are combining, whoever wrote this script is not familiar with animals. Yeah, well, or they see all animals. It’s like, I don’t know. I don’t, I can’t tell different animals. I’m animals.

[00:42:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoever wrote this script didn’t drink any of Calypso’s potions. They didn’t have any understanding.

[00:42:50] June Diane Raphael: Funny because looking at the backpack now, and I’m so glad we have the time to just take a really close look.

[00:42:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Buckle up Austin.

[00:42:56] June Diane Raphael: But looking at it now.

[00:42:58] Paul Scheer: I came to a show on a Tuesday, they talked about backpacks for two and a half hours.

[00:43:02] June Diane Raphael: I’m also like, it’s. And I, you’ll probably disagree, Jason, but I think it’s, it’s trying to be a very stylish sleek look.

[00:43:10] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree. It’s, it’s techy and, and yeah. And slick.

[00:43:13] Paul Scheer: It’s, it’s a backpack for people who don’t wear backpacks. And that’s the thing I get.

[00:43:18] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what this is, this is fucking this, this douche, this fucking douche.

[00:43:23] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:43:23] Jason Mantzoukas: This is the big bad of the movie. And it’s like, no, this guy is like, Hey, I swear to God I have a meeting with Tim Cook. You gotta let me in.

[00:43:31] June Diane Raphael: For sure.

[00:43:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I swear to God, I’m on the schedule. I’m supposed to meet Tim Cook. Poor Alessandra Nola is doing fantastic work. And it’s like, do I really have to wear the backpack?

[00:43:41] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:43:41] June Diane Raphael: This is the type of guy who like, there something major happened in his life and he was like, I am not carrying a briefcase anymore. And then the day happened where he was like, I’m moving into a backpack. And that was huge.

[00:43:53] Paul Scheer: He’s gotta gotta have his hands free.

[00:43:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.

[00:43:56] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[00:43:57] Paul Scheer: He’s gotta keep his hands free.

[00:43:58] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, why not just be the rhino all the time?

[00:44:01] Paul Scheer: No.

[00:44:02] Jason Mantzoukas: How badass would that be?

[00:44:03] June Diane Raphael: Because, ’cause I guess it’s painful. Question mark.

[00:44:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Who cares?

[00:44:07] Paul Scheer: They do chop boxes.

[00:44:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Who honestly, who cares? It’s painful. Toughen up.

[00:44:10] Paul Scheer: But by the way, also, what a fatal flaw the fucking rhino has. Oh yeah. I am indestructible. Except for a small hole. Small hole that if you put a pen in there, I’m fucking dead.

[00:44:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Also, when the rhino is, when the rhino, we see the rhino only in the very end of the movie, fully rhino out, right? And he’s on top of a car and Kraven’s on top of a car. They’re both on top of vehicles in the middle of a stampede. And once again, Kraven is looking at a human rhinoceros combo and is like, cool. Nobody’s like, what the fuck?

[00:44:44] Jessica St. Clair: Here’s something, here’s something I actually thought was, why am I doing such high level work tonight? But forgive me.

[00:44:52] June Diane Raphael: Go ahead.

[00:44:53] Jason Mantzoukas: This is, this is your high level work.

[00:44:55] Jessica St. Clair: Forgive me. But I thought one of the thing that, things that didn’t make it scary for me, and it should have been, and in fact in the first five minutes, the man next to me on the plane said, are you sure you should be watching this?

[00:45:07] Paul Scheer: What?

[00:45:08] Jessica St. Clair: Yes, because I kept going like this, I can’t. Ah, yeah. Oh, like, ’cause I just thought, oh, what’s gonna happen? And you know, he bit that guy’s nose off, I think at some point. But, but I never worried that Kraven was gonna get beat. Like, shouldn’t we always have some tension?

[00:45:22] Paul Scheer: Well, I thought the Rhino.

[00:45:23] Jessica St. Clair: The Kraven never got beat.

[00:45:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Agreed.

[00:45:25] Paul Scheer: The Rhino is pretty tough. Like it didn’t.

[00:45:28] Jessica St. Clair: Sure.

[00:45:28] Paul Scheer: Until he realizes at. Yeah. The, well, you’re right. I, I mean, look.

[00:45:32] Jessica St. Clair: Okay. Oh God, he’s put his hand up.

[00:45:35] Paul Scheer: I think that, and you know, as somebody who has been through this, when you get.

[00:45:41] Jessica St. Clair: Through what?

[00:45:42] Paul Scheer: When you get chomped in half by a full lion, it’s hard to scare you.

[00:45:47] Jessica St. Clair: That’s a chapter that didn’t make it into your book.

[00:45:49] Paul Scheer: Couldn’t put it, didn’t get the rights from the Lion. Um, but that’s what I think that this movie kind of posits. It’s like. Yeah, man, a fucking lion just chomped down on me hard. I’m not afraid of anything. Like, and I feel like that’s the energy that he carries with him in all places.

[00:46:04] June Diane Raphael: But here’s the interesting thing about the experience with the lion, because he becomes, I think, part lion, right?

[00:46:10] Paul Scheer: We think.

[00:46:11] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I think sort lion, the legend. Yeah. But, but he also has a really intense experience with other animals who he seems to be communicating with. Like when that bird shows up at his window, and that bird is very much so like, knock, knock.

[00:46:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:46:26] Jessica St. Clair: That happened to you.

[00:46:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Hey, bro.

[00:46:27] Jessica St. Clair: With a crow.

[00:46:28] June Diane Raphael: I know. But, but, but that, an intense relationship.

[00:46:31] Jason Mantzoukas: The bear as well at the end of the movie.

[00:46:32] June Diane Raphael: And the bear, and then also his own herd, his own stampede.

[00:46:36] Jason Mantzoukas: And the snow leopard that attacks him.

[00:46:38] Paul Scheer: Hey, you don’t attack me. I attack you. Get out here kid.

[00:46:41] June Diane Raphael: It the exception of that snow leopard, it, the movie posits that lions are natural friends to every other animal.

[00:46:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:46:52] June Diane Raphael: Which is not how I know the animal kingdom to work.

[00:46:55] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t think it’s natural friends. I think he’s meant to be establishing dominance over all of them. Like he.

[00:47:00] Jessica St. Clair: Really, because they seem like they help him out.

[00:47:02] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s like the lion being the apex predator. The.

[00:47:05] Jessica St. Clair: But, but they do so many solids for him.

[00:47:07] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree. At the first, no. I do think in some way, shape or form the movie wants us to believe he is talking or communicating with the animals the way that Aquaman talks with the fish.

[00:47:17] Paul Scheer: I, but I just have an idea now because, alright, so the dad does kill the lion that chomps him, right?

[00:47:23] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:47:23] Paul Scheer: And then at the end he, his dad I guess sows him that nice. Like the vest with the mane on it, I would imagine. That he would not wanna wear the mane of that lion because it.

[00:47:35] Jessica St. Clair: Seemed weird to me too also that his dad said, let’s just unpack that. No, I am you, you are me. Thanks for the gift. I’m wearing it. It’s weird. Yeah. Like, he doesn’t wanna be his dad.

[00:47:47] Paul Scheer: No. What I think his dad’s like, as much as you don’t wanna be me, you are. Fuck you. I’m dead. Bye.

[00:47:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Here’s the thing. What’s crazy in this movie is the, the stakes are so high. They’re going all over the world. Everything that’s happening has massive ma, massive, uh, uh, uh, like, like evil is, is being perpetrated all over the place.

[00:48:04] And, uh, and all of it is because of each of these men’s reaction only to Russell Crowe. Yeah, he has birthed all of this people, because Navola is also like, I couldn’t get your father to like me, so now I’m the rhino.

[00:48:18] Paul Scheer: Well, but no, no, he doesn’t wanna be the rhino. He’s trying to get the super soldier serum. Like, he’s like,

[00:48:22] Jason Mantzoukas: No, no. He doesn’t wanna be the rhino, but he wants to be strong, strong.

[00:48:25] June Diane Raphael: But here’s, there’s the, the bummer about this movie is there, there is such a better movie in there about a son who has been abused by his dad and doesn’t wanna become that man.

[00:48:37] Jessica St. Clair: Right.

[00:48:37] June Diane Raphael: And in this overcorrecting effort to not become him, he becomes exactly who his father is.

[00:48:44] Paul Scheer: What’s so wrong about that?!

[00:48:45] June Diane Raphael: But that’s not this movie at all because. In the journey to do that, like we never get to emotionally see that that’s anything he’s challenged with. We don’t, the, the movie is not interested in his interior life at all. And so.

[00:49:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t think he is.

[00:49:02] June Diane Raphael: And I don’t think he is either.

[00:49:03] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s not introspective.

[00:49:04] June Diane Raphael: So when he puts the, when he puts on that vest, we are sort of left to believe like, oh yeah, the vest turned you.

[00:49:11] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what? And I swear to God, my, I guarantee you, this is how they sold it to Aaron Taylor Johnson. It’s the Godfather. You are Michael Corleone.

[00:49:21] Paul Scheer: Ah.

[00:49:22] Jessica St. Clair: Wow.

[00:49:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Your father is the godfather and you are trying your best to be good. But at the end you’re bad. But you’re a bad guy.

[00:49:31] Paul Scheer: But he’s not a bad guy.

[00:49:33] Jessica St. Clair: He’s a bad, I don’t think that’s what this shows us.

[00:49:35] Paul Scheer: He doesn’t break bad.

[00:49:35] Jessica St. Clair: He’s not bad. He’s never bad, right? The brother’s bad.

[00:49:39] Paul Scheer: He’s, he’s not bad. And then he puts on that coat.

[00:49:41] June Diane Raphael: He’s not bad. Of course he’s not bad, but he. But because, and again, I’m doing more work than the movie cares to do, but because he’s so obsessed with not being bad, he, he ultimately knows he’s seen as bad and can’t escape that can’t escaping his father’s son and so decides it’s so much the pause break the brother.

[00:50:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, you’re right. And the brother basically says, you are just as bad as dad. You just think because you do it for a different reason.

[00:50:11] Jessica St. Clair: But is he? He’s killing bad people.

[00:50:14] June Diane Raphael: I don’t think he is, but I don’t think it matters because again, this is, the movie doesn’t care about any of this, but. But because he can’t escape that he decides to become bad. Well, he’s not bad in the movie.

[00:50:29] Paul Scheer: But here’s the thing. If, if Jason’s theory is true, which I think it might be like the Michael Corleone moment, like there is some.

[00:50:34] June Diane Raphael: I also mention that theory in a different way.

[00:50:36] Paul Scheer: But Oh, no, no, no.

[00:50:38] Jessica St. Clair: Just like the movie.

[00:50:40] Paul Scheer: No, no, no.

[00:50:40] Jessica St. Clair: Women are erased.

[00:50:42] Paul Scheer: I meant, I meant to say the way that he plays it at the end. Cause like Michael Corleone at the End of The Godfather, you see this like moment of him just being like, oh fuck. Like what have, what have I gotten into? But here he is like, put this on. He is like, fuck, I look cool in my new jacket. Like there’s no, there’s no like. What have I become? It’s more like this.

[00:51:04] Jessica St. Clair: Wait, are we supposed to believe he’s turning bad at the end?

[00:51:07] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[00:51:08] Jessica St. Clair: Of the movie? Really?

[00:51:09] Jason Mantzoukas: I think. I think that’s what the movie wants. I’m not saying it’s successful to be clear.

[00:51:12] June Diane Raphael: Yes. But I the think that’s what’s happening.

[00:51:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Wants us to believe.

[00:51:14] Jessica St. Clair: Oh God.

[00:51:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Now Paul, you’re getting up to go to the au to the audience. Now I’m gonna pause you for one second.

[00:51:18] Paul Scheer: Sure.

[00:51:19] Jason Mantzoukas: And that second is only to say, who is the foreigner?

[00:51:23] Jessica St. Clair: Oh yeah.

[00:51:25] Paul Scheer: I can’t believe we didn’t talk about the foreigner.

[00:51:28] June Diane Raphael: Forgot about him.

[00:51:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Foreigner.

[00:51:29] Jessica St. Clair: Wow.

[00:51:30] Jason Mantzoukas: And how do we get him out of our country?

[00:51:34] Paul Scheer: 1, 2, 3. Two, three.

[00:51:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, we gotta build a wall. That guy. We can’t keep this guy in here. Jay does the foreigner exist?

[00:51:43] Audience Member: Foreigner does exist.

[00:51:45] Paul Scheer: Alright. Foreigner does exist as well.

[00:51:46] Jason Mantzoukas: But I’m, it is my understanding ’cause I looked that character up and he is powerless.

[00:51:51] Paul Scheer: Well, it seems like all he does is.

[00:51:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Have hypnosis powers that allow him to just get behind you.

[00:51:56] Jessica St. Clair: The scariest, the scariest moment of the foreigner, honestly, with all those people he kills is when he was slicing that rare steak so close to Dmitri. It’s like, that’s the nastiest shit I’ve ever seen. And where’s that? He just appears with a steak also.

[00:52:13] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what? I don’t need to watch you eat or do anything. Hypnotize me for that part of it.

[00:52:17] Jessica St. Clair: When you’re done masticating that steak.

[00:52:20] Paul Scheer: I think what I love about these movies is they’re going lower and lower on the tier of villains and you’re just seeing how pathetic they are.

[00:52:28] It’s like, I am the foreigner. It’s like, alright, I guess like, I don’t know if we need a whole movie for you.

[00:52:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Poor Alessandro. Poor Chris Abbott.

[00:52:38] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:52:38] Jason Mantzoukas: What a, like, what? Like a character who really genuinely we’re meant to be like, oh, this is a, this is a true assassin. And he’s like, oh, Kraven killed my mentor. Who is the mentor? Do we know?

[00:52:52] Jessica St. Clair: The guy. The guy in the prison with the bad teeth.

[00:52:54] June Diane Raphael: But I was so confused because the guy in the prison running the prison, I thought he was just a warden.

[00:52:59] Paul Scheer: I thought he was a warden.

[00:53:00] Jason Mantzoukas: No, I think, he’s like a bad guy who’s a prisoner who running.

[00:53:03] Paul Scheer: He just has a cool roof.

[00:53:03] Jessica St. Clair: Why did he get his own office?

[00:53:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Great question. Why is he in that prison? The movie isn’t. Here’s what’s interesting about a movie like this. It’s not interested in exposition. These movies usually love exposition.

[00:53:16] Paul Scheer: This movie says you’ll figure it out now.

[00:53:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Okay. Well this movie knows If it starts giving you information, you’re gonna start being like, hang on.

[00:53:23] June Diane Raphael: Wait a second.

[00:53:25] Paul Scheer: Alright, so your name, your question.

[00:53:26] Audience Member: My name’s Letty and um, I have a question. So he’s going to Siberia and he’s stampeded by all these buffalo. But those are Cape Buffalo from Africa.

[00:53:36] Jessica St. Clair: Uhoh.

[00:53:36] Audience Member: So like, where did?

[00:53:37] Paul Scheer: I love, I love.

[00:53:38] Jason Mantzoukas: A woman over there is like a woman right there is like Yes, yes,

[00:53:43] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.

[00:53:43] Jason Mantzoukas: We have a Buffalo expert. We have multiple Buffalo experts.

[00:53:47] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.

[00:53:47] Paul Scheer: Well, look, it’s shocking because the movie.

[00:53:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Raise your hand if you have a, if you’re a Buffalo expert.

[00:53:51] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[00:53:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa, whoa.

[00:53:53] Jessica St. Clair: Couple, couple.

[00:53:55] Paul Scheer: I mean, so I guess we found the first flaw.

[00:53:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:53:59] June Diane Raphael: That’s it.

[00:53:59] Paul Scheer: All right, well mark on the side, it tricky. Alright. I, I go to people with notebooks. I see this notebook. I see a lot of notes. What do you got?

[00:54:05] Audience Member: I am Brad. Oh. So there’s obviously so many questions with this movie. It’s kind of insane.

[00:54:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Well just do one of them.

[00:54:13] Audience Member: But, um, so I watched it with closed captions on in the beginning, and.

[00:54:17] Paul Scheer: Oh, if you have this note, I may have the same one. All right. This is great. Okay. Yes. Oh, I think you do. Yeah.

[00:54:22] Audience Member: I watched this with closed captions on in the beginning, and I think they couldn’t understand Russ’s, uh, accent. And it said this lion is responsible for two or 3000 deaths. And I was curious, like Lions only lived to be like 10 years old maturity in the wild.

[00:54:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah. No, this lion has killed thousands of people.

[00:54:44] Paul Scheer: But now what I saw was. He said 200 or the two th. ’cause it was a giant number when it was on screen, right?

[00:54:51] Audience Member: Well, it was two or 3000.

[00:54:52] Jason Mantzoukas: It was, I saw two.

[00:54:53] June Diane Raphael: I saw too.

[00:54:54] Audience Member: Which if you run the math back is like he killed 300 people a year.

[00:54:58] Paul Scheer: Checks out.

[00:54:59] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way. By the way, to be fair then, if I’m being honest, the lion is doing a better job than Kraven.

[00:55:08] Jessica St. Clair: Sure.

[00:55:08] Jason Mantzoukas: A lion is a better hunter than Kraven. Let the lion live. Justice for the lion.

[00:55:16] Paul Scheer: Hi, what’s your name? What’s your question?

[00:55:17] Audience Member: Hi, I’m Aubrey. Um, so you guys didn’t mention this, I’m kind of surprised, but like scene for scene, especially when he first shows us like his new, his house in Siberia or whatever.

[00:55:27] It’s a very twilight esque and I don’t.

[00:55:30] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.

[00:55:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:55:31] Jessica St. Clair: But climbing on the trees.

[00:55:33] Audience Member: Right? So like his eyes are like on amber color.

[00:55:36] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[00:55:36] Audience Member: Like you see the like blood exploding, like all of it. He’s running through trees. Anyway, so my question is, are you guys team Kraven or team Jacob?

[00:55:47] June Diane Raphael: I’ve never been Team Jacob ever, so I guess I’m Team Kraven.

[00:55:51] Jessica St. Clair: I’m still Team Kraven.

[00:55:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I’m Team Kraven and it is, I agree. It is twilight coated. Um, uh, and nothing else. Um, um.

[00:56:02] June Diane Raphael: I didn’t realize though that. I didn’t realize that. Are all these Marvel superhero hero movies, so sexless?

[00:56:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:56:09] June Diane Raphael: Oh wow.

[00:56:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yes.

[00:56:11] Jessica St. Clair: And that’s too bad.

[00:56:12] June Diane Raphael: It’s too bad.

[00:56:13] Jessica St. Clair: It’s such a opportunity.

[00:56:14] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s truly heartbreaking because it’s as if all of these incredibly strong, charismatic men are not interested fucking at all.

[00:56:22] Jessica St. Clair: What a bummer. I feel like Kraven is the guy you date in college. You know? He is a lot of fun at a party.

[00:56:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Go on. I know the people you dated.

[00:56:29] Jessica St. Clair: You know.

[00:56:29] Jason Mantzoukas: What are we doing?

[00:56:31] Jessica St. Clair: He’s fun at a party, you know, take his shirt off and all that.

[00:56:35] Jason Mantzoukas: I know that guy.

[00:56:36] Jessica St. Clair: But you don’t marry Kraven.

[00:56:38] Jason Mantzoukas: No.

[00:56:38] Jessica St. Clair: Do you know what I mean?

[00:56:39] June Diane Raphael: Right.

[00:56:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Unless you’re Calypso.

[00:56:41] Jessica St. Clair: Unless you’re, I guess you’re Calypso stuck with him. It was her. It was her grandmother’s fault. Saddled her with this responsibility.

[00:56:49] Paul Scheer: Sorry. If you guys are talking for a while, I’m in the mezzanine.

[00:56:52] Jessica St. Clair: Jesus Christ. You’re like the foreigner. Paul, you just show up.

[00:56:57] Paul Scheer: Hi, how are you?

[00:56:58] Audience Member: I’m well. How are you?

[00:56:59] Paul Scheer: Good. What’s your question?

[00:57:00] Audience Member: So my question is mostly for June and Jessica, who I love, and I’m very happy.

[00:57:05] June Diane Raphael: Take a break.

[00:57:06] Jessica St. Clair: Thank you for giving women a chance to speak.

[00:57:08] June Diane Raphael: Take a break.

[00:57:10] Jessica St. Clair: Unlike the Marvel universe. Go ahead.

[00:57:14] Paul Scheer: You guys got your Madam Web.

[00:57:17] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s the other one. Madame Web.

[00:57:21] Jessica St. Clair: Madame Web.

[00:57:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Bonjour Madame Web..

[00:57:25] Jessica St. Clair: Good old, sleepy time. All right, go ahead.

[00:57:26] Audience Member: Okay, so as a woman, I at the, kind of towards the end of this movie, Calypso calls Kraven and she’s like, oh, the bad guys are in my office and I need to get out. And he’s like, come out and join me in my chip and Joanne like Greenhouse.

[00:57:41] And she, she, there is a scene, there is a shot of her like packing her, not.

[00:57:48] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I know what you’re gonna say. Aubrey. I’m already there with you.

[00:57:50] Audience Member: It’s not a con bag like, like carry on bag, but like a purse that size, like a big tote. And then she is in Siberia. And then.

[00:57:59] June Diane Raphael: Go ahead.

[00:57:59] Audience Member: At the end, she kills, um, Charlie from Girls with the crossbow. Yeah. And all of a sudden she is in a, like a hot look spoke leather outfit.

[00:58:10] June Diane Raphael: That’s it.

[00:58:10] Jessica St. Clair: Hot. Look, she has many outfits.

[00:58:12] Paul Scheer: Okay, now I thought about this. This reminds me of your friend with the extra bathrobe.

[00:58:16] Jessica St. Clair: It’s interesting that you’re answering Paul. She said it was for us.

[00:58:20] Audience Member: Yeah. Okay. So.

[00:58:21] Jessica St. Clair: Thanks, Kraven, part two.

[00:58:23] Audience Member: Thank you. Paul’s, the mansplaining my question, but my, for, for the ladies. Did she have this made and she was ready because she is the granddaughter of all of these amazing women. So she just had a to go superhero outfit or did Kraven have a woman superhero outfit ready for her? Yeah. Chip and Joanne Greenhouse, just in case.

[00:58:49] June Diane Raphael: So I’m so glad you brought this up.

[00:58:52] Jessica St. Clair: This is so vital.

[00:58:53] June Diane Raphael: And I thought about it too.

[00:58:55] Jessica St. Clair: This is so vital.

[00:58:56] June Diane Raphael: It’s, it’s an important discussion. You know, I, well, first of all, I just wanna say I’m not sure I, I didn’t think she called him. I think she.

[00:59:07] Jason Mantzoukas: He called her.

[00:59:07] June Diane Raphael: He called her and she happened to be on the phone and say, oh my God, five strange guys just walked in. And so she just randomly caught them at that moment. But, but she couldn’t have packed that. What I have to believe is that that outfit was in one of those, those things that popped out.

[00:59:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.

[00:59:28] Paul Scheer: One of those pops.

[00:59:28] June Diane Raphael: Actually, it made me really appreciate Kraven a lot more.

[00:59:34] Jessica St. Clair: In that, what though? Tell me, is it like our friend who hooked up with the guy who had the extra bathrobe, who’s like, try that on.

[00:59:40] June Diane Raphael: It’s more, yeah, it’s like the guys.

[00:59:42] Jason Mantzoukas: I still don’t like that.

[00:59:43] June Diane Raphael: It’s like the guys who always kept their bathrooms stocked with tampons when they’re single. And like just had extra toothbrushes and.

[00:59:52] Jason Mantzoukas: For nosebleeds.

[00:59:53] June Diane Raphael: Extra stuff.

[00:59:55] Jason Mantzoukas: In case I get a nosebleed.

[00:59:58] June Diane Raphael: It just seemed like a really nice gesture and like he was waiting for the moment when a woman would arrive.

[01:00:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Here’s my question. Here’s my question is he says to her. I just got attacked. They’re gonna come for you next. Get ready. She says, there’s guys here. He says, go come to me in Siberia. Boom. She’s loading up her bag. Why doesn’t she bring her noise canceling headphones? They’re in the drawer next to everything else and she doesn’t pack.

[01:00:24] June Diane Raphael: Wow.

[01:00:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Her noise canceling.

[01:00:25] Jessica St. Clair: You’re so weird.

[01:00:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Headphones.

[01:00:26] Jessica St. Clair: When you’re being hunted, you do not want white noise. You wanna be.

[01:00:30] Paul Scheer: Alright. Alright.

[01:00:31] Jessica St. Clair: Eyes out.

[01:00:31] Paul Scheer: Hi. What’s your name? What’s your question?

[01:00:33] Audience Member: Hi, I am Abba. Um, I thought it was interesting that when we see him in the jungle, he is like fishing and then takes a bite of the raw fish and then goes into his beautiful house with this kitchen as if he’s like living purely off the land.

[01:00:50] Jessica St. Clair: He’s got like a Viking range, but he’s like, I’m so hungry. I’m just gonna bite into this fish head. And also, you can’t cook your, he’s not looking into, into the fish’s eyes and getting some message. He doesn’t give a shit about the fish.

[01:01:02] Jason Mantzoukas: No, because I think he’s gonna eat it. And he knows if he talks to the fish, they’re gonna be like, no, don’t eat me. Cool. Don’t eat me. Oh, come on, Kraven even. And he’s being like, he’s doing his Gollum thing. But yeah, like, like the movie’s not interested in him being like grimy and down and dirty and eating and, and being like ferocious because he has to be so slick and handsome all the time that at any point someone could fuck him. Even though no one ever will.

[01:01:35] Paul Scheer: I am in the balcony.

[01:01:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh boy.

[01:01:37] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[01:01:38] June Diane Raphael: Paul, be careful..

[01:01:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Be careful.

[01:01:41] Paul Scheer: I am among my people.

[01:01:43] Jason Mantzoukas: There’s nothing scary in the balcony. Nothing scarier than a Texas balcony.

[01:01:48] Paul Scheer: Yes. This is my Siberia. I will, I will not take from these people. Yes.

[01:01:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Stinks of barbecue farts.

[01:01:58] Paul Scheer: Alright. What’s your name? What’s your question?

[01:02:00] Audience Member: Okay. Hi, my name’s Rena.

[01:02:02] I wanna say I cannot believe we have not talked about the singing at the club in this movie.

[01:02:10] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[01:02:10] Audience Member: What the hell is.

[01:02:11] Jason Mantzoukas: What do you want? What do you wanna say about it? Go.

[01:02:13] Audience Member: First of all, I don’t think that’s him singing.

[01:02:15] Paul Scheer: Well, no, he’s a chameleon. Tony Bennett.

[01:02:19] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way, the balcony is killing it today.

[01:02:21] Paul Scheer: That was him. Tony bennett, was it Tony Bennett voice? Yeah.

[01:02:27] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s why he’s the chameleon.

[01:02:28] Paul Scheer: For one of the songs.

[01:02:30] Audience Member: Not the first song before everyone gets killed.

[01:02:33] Paul Scheer: All right, well, all right then.

[01:02:35] Audience Member: But i, I’m just gonna say. I don’t know anything about Marvel movies, so I did not know this was a Marvel movie for the first hour and 45.

[01:02:44] Paul Scheer: You wouldn’t know that. Most Marvel movies have a.

[01:02:46] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s totally normal. It does not work.

[01:02:48] Audience Member: I know that Tony Bennett was going to show up in a Marvel movie.

[01:02:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay, now hang on a second.

[01:02:57] June Diane Raphael: That wasn’t, of course, that wasn’t actually Tony Bennett there.

[01:03:02] Paul Scheer: No, no. She’s shaking me now. No, it’s.

[01:03:04] June Diane Raphael: Paul walk away.

[01:03:06] Paul Scheer: Bennett’s voice.

[01:03:07] June Diane Raphael: I understand that.

[01:03:08] Audience Member: But it’s not right.

[01:03:10] June Diane Raphael: It is honey. It is.

[01:03:12] Audience Member: But you just said it wasn’t.

[01:03:14] June Diane Raphael: It’s not him, but it is his voice. So what they did was they license.

[01:03:20] Paul Scheer: They played the song and he went like this.

[01:03:23] Audience Member: I got you.

[01:03:23] Paul Scheer: Right. And then they.

[01:03:24] June Diane Raphael: Paul, I think what she’s saying is she’s surprised, yes, we’ve heard him do voices because I was surprised too. We’ve heard him do voices. We’ve heard that he’s a like an amazing impressionist, but we have not known up until that point, the end of the movie.

[01:03:37] Audience Member: I’m gonna be honest.

[01:03:38] June Diane Raphael: They did keep on giving her the mic. I’m speaking, babe.

[01:03:40] Audience Member: I knew he was mocking it. I knew he was mocking the voices.

[01:03:48] Jason Mantzoukas: No, guys are doing great. Just hanging out.

[01:03:50] Paul Scheer: It was good. It was good. What? What do you got over here?

[01:03:52] Audience Member: All right, so we talked about how this is a sexless movie.

[01:03:55] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[01:03:55] Audience Member: And we talked about how we kind of all got the freaking ick when he walked on all fours. So we think that’s why Calypso didn’t have sex with him, because she saw him walk on all fours and got the ick.

[01:04:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I don’t think so.

[01:04:12] Paul Scheer: Wow.

[01:04:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t think so. I think they, she wasn’t into him because the, the, the bosses were like, no, they, they don’t fuck, because we don’t show that to, to young people. Young.

[01:04:22] Paul Scheer: June.

[01:04:22] Jessica St. Clair: So you don’t even think there was an undertone? I didn’t even feel much of an undertone.

[01:04:27] Jason Mantzoukas: I didn’t not, because I know they are partners in the comics.

[01:04:30] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[01:04:30] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I mean, I, again, I had to create sexual tension between him and the pilot. I had to create it between him and Calypso.

[01:04:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I’ll be completely honest. There was more chemistry between the brothers.

[01:04:42] June Diane Raphael: A thousand percent.

[01:04:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Anybody else. I was like, when are we gonna white lotus this shit? Let’s go, let’s go. Dmitri, jerk your brother off.

[01:04:54] Jessica St. Clair: Jason, no.

[01:04:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Come on, Marvel. Texas?

[01:05:03] Jessica St. Clair: Tejas.

[01:05:04] Paul Scheer: I, I did. I think there is a deleted. Scene I saw where he jerks off a bear.

[01:05:09] Jessica St. Clair: Okay. Okay, Paul.

[01:05:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, that’s how he gets him to attack his dad.

[01:05:13] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[01:05:13] Jessica St. Clair: Oh my God.

[01:05:14] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s like, I need you to kill my dad. And the Bear’s like, what’s in it for me, bro? I auditioned to play the bear.

[01:05:22] Paul Scheer: Obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

[01:05:31] Audience Member: I’m Susan, I’m Leddy. I’m Ellie.

[01:05:38] Ooh. Second opinions.. Ooh, ooh. Second opinions. In Siberia. then in London, the Kraven hunts tuna of mommy and scary spiders. The sleeps. Opinion. Opinion. Second opinion. Opinion. Opinion. Second opinion. Here’s the rhino, and then chameleon. The foreigner counts to three. 1, 2, 3. So is bringing all the but Spider-Man, where is he?

[01:06:26] Hush. My brother. Don’t fear my brother. We’ve got emotional scars. This movies left us totally empty, but we still give five stars.

[01:06:39] Paul Scheer: Amazing.

[01:06:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Great job.

[01:06:45] Paul Scheer: Thank you so much. Alright, these are five star opinions from Amazon. There are. 76, but.

[01:06:55] Jason Mantzoukas: And you’re gonna read all of them?

[01:06:57] Paul Scheer: I’ll get through as many as I can. 69% are five star reviews. 69. Yeah. Kraven in that Bear. 69. All right. Uh, My Name in Latin is Beautiful writes,

[01:07:15] “I wasn’t interested in this movie at all. After seeing the trailer, it looked like just another blood and guts film with no real storyline. Now we ended up at the theater by mistake, buying tickets to the wrong movie. Someone in our group wanted to see Kravens, so we decided to give it a shot. Within the first 10 minutes I turned to everyone and said, this movie’s really good. Title, unexpected win five stars.”

[01:07:48] Jessica St. Clair: I’m so curious what they were going to see. Was it Paddington three?

[01:07:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Paddington in Peru?

[01:07:56] Paul Scheer: Does he have the marmalade powers?

[01:07:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, do you think Kraven understands Paddington better?

[01:08:03] Paul Scheer: Oh, he definitely.

[01:08:04] June Diane Raphael: Great question.

[01:08:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, Paddington, to be clear, speaks English. Wouldn’t it be great if Kraven was like, he had the scene with his father at the end and then Paddington came out of the woods, like in his blue coat, in his hat, like.

[01:08:20] June Diane Raphael: Oh man.

[01:08:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Marmalade.

[01:08:22] June Diane Raphael: Or just now Lucy.

[01:08:24] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love it. I would love it.

[01:08:26] Jessica St. Clair: Get Lucy.

[01:08:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Any of them.

[01:08:27] Jessica St. Clair: No, it’s a woman. They don’t want her in.

[01:08:29] Paul Scheer: This is a quickie. Trend 700 writes,

[01:08:32] “This is more than a great movie. It is a definitive portrait of a legendary character with Kraven the Hunter. Taylor Johnson doesn’t just set the bar. He is the bar. Five stars.”

[01:08:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Can I ask a question? What’s that name? That user’s name?

[01:08:50] Paul Scheer: Uh, trend 700.

[01:08:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Is, isn’t trend a steroid?

[01:08:56] Audience Member: Yes.

[01:08:56] Paul Scheer: It seems like yes.

[01:08:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. That is clearly a steroid user who’s like, this dude’s fucking jacked. I love this movie. Five Stars. Jacked, jacked, dude, who doesn’t fuck. Just like me? I love steroids and not fucking Kraven. Five stars.

[01:09:16] Paul Scheer: And finally, Dart Man writes this.

[01:09:20] “I’ve streamed the movie. It’s one of the best. But the price is ridiculous. I’m not gonna order it based on the price. Five stars.”

[01:09:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. That’s weird.

[01:09:36] June Diane Raphael: Okay, sir.

[01:09:38] Paul Scheer: Look, sometimes that price point is hard, so I apologize to all of you. Um, I will say this, uh, we, we, we talked about how this movie, you know, had some, some moments.

[01:09:47] It’s the first Spider-Man related project to receive an R rating. So that is a, that they believe that that’s the issue because on Netflix.

[01:09:56] June Diane Raphael: So the genre of movie this is, is Spider-Man related?

[01:10:00] Paul Scheer: Yeah. These are Spider Verse movies.

[01:10:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[01:10:02] Jessica St. Clair: You don’t see a spider till.

[01:10:03] Jason Mantzoukas: So these are all movies that are waiting for Spider-Man to show up.

[01:10:09] June Diane Raphael: The Spider man is living rent free in.

[01:10:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.

[01:10:13] June Diane Raphael: Wow.

[01:10:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. And they are, they all exist as, as theoretical foils for a hero who’s not in the movie.

[01:10:21] Paul Scheer: Now, here is a little fun fact. This character was supposed to be in Black Panther, a movie that would fit perfectly, but they told Ryan Coogler, yeah, you can’t use him. Sony’s got ’em. And so that’s why we don’t.

[01:10:35] Jessica St. Clair: We didn’t realize that two people own two places.

[01:10:38] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[01:10:38] Jessica St. Clair: Like, it’s like if McDonald’s, if like Ronald was with this person, the hamburger, someone else.

[01:10:43] Jason Mantzoukas: So these, these are your superheroes?

[01:10:44] Jessica St. Clair: Yep.

[01:10:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Your superheroes are the.

[01:10:46] June Diane Raphael: I understand that.

[01:10:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Are the Donald’s Playland game.

[01:10:50] Jessica St. Clair: Give that Grimmace baby.

[01:10:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Uhoh hamburgler’ss here.

[01:10:53] Paul Scheer: I want I want our t-shirt to be Kraven in his chair with grimace on one side.

[01:10:59] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and the And the fry guys. And the fry guys and hamburgler. And it just says you up?

[01:11:11] Paul Scheer: The other, the other idea for a shirt I had was a picture of Tony Bennett and it says, this is not Tony Bennett. That might be the one.

[01:11:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, no, I think it should be Sun Patoni Benon. If we wanna go full Magrid.

[01:11:27] Paul Scheer: Uh, I love it. Any final thoughts on this film?

[01:11:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. I felt much the same way the Rhino did when he said at the end of the movie. I wish I’d never met you kraven. No more cogent piece of information was put out in this movie. That said it all. I was like, me too guy. I much more preferred the Rhino and Paul Giamatti played him in the Andrew Garfield movies.

[01:11:56] June Diane Raphael: You know, I wrote down one line that, um, Russell Crow says at the end when he’s describing Kraven and he says he’s an assassin who uses all the methods of the animals of the jungle. And I thought, does he?

[01:12:14] Because that was the one line where I was like, I was, I was craving. I was Kraven it, Kraven. I was Kraven for it so badly. Like, oh, that’s what the, that’s what his powers are. That’s what the, that, that’s what his whole deal is. That’s who he is. That’s who he is in every situation we put him in. But then when he said it, when he finally said it, I was like, that doesn’t sound like the guy I know who’s throwing darts and such.

[01:12:40] Jason Mantzoukas: I felt like, I agree in the sense that when he has the yellow eyes of the lion, I’m like, yes, give me like, explain to me this power set and what access he has to the knowledge of the lion or whatever.

[01:12:54] Jessica St. Clair: Using a blow dart. You never see, you know, a bear. You’re not gonna fight, you know, try to blow dart somebody.

[01:13:00] June Diane Raphael: No, you’re not gonna see that..

[01:13:01] Jessica St. Clair: They don’t have the ability with their paws.

[01:13:03] Jason Mantzoukas: This is a movie.

[01:13:04] June Diane Raphael: They just don’t.

[01:13:05] Paul Scheer: That’s why you need somebody to jerk ’em off. Um, I loved it.

[01:13:11] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. You loved it.

[01:13:13] Paul Scheer: Listen, I did. I don’t know why.

[01:13:15] Jessica St. Clair: You loved it. You loved it.

[01:13:16] Paul Scheer: I loved it because it was so aggressively dumb on every level that I was like.

[01:13:20] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, I understand that.

[01:13:21] Paul Scheer: Oh, I don’t have to. Like, great, I get it. I’m in. I, and like I think that sometimes when you get all this exposition, when you find out backstory of like, I don’t need it.

[01:13:31] Jessica St. Clair: No.

[01:13:32] June Diane Raphael: Then you did love this movie.

[01:13:34] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m just go, going through my notes to be like, oh, did I miss anything? Was there? And so I talk about the backpack so much in my notes.

[01:13:41] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[01:13:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I have so many notes about the backpack and other backpacks in this movie. That’s the movie I saw. I saw a two and a half hour movie about backpacks.

[01:13:52] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[01:13:53] Jason Mantzoukas: It wasn’t good.

[01:13:55] Paul Scheer: Jess.

[01:13:55] Jessica St. Clair: Never talked about the severed finger. Yeah. That was disgusting.

[01:13:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, you know what that brings up and I’m sorry, but. The movie, as we’ve talked about, isn’t interested in investigating or having any of our characters be romantic or sexual in any way, shape or form. But goddamn, if there isn’t a grizzly violence in every scene.

[01:14:16] June Diane Raphael: Yes. So many limbs. So chopped off, those antlers removed, I’ve never seen seen.

[01:14:20] Jason Mantzoukas: When he machetes that guy’s head.

[01:14:22] June Diane Raphael: Oh, too much.

[01:14:23] Jason Mantzoukas: We can’t see him finger someone, but we can watch, we can watch him chop.

[01:14:27] Paul Scheer: In a way. In a way, a machete to the head is a certain type of fingering.

[01:14:31] Jason Mantzoukas: How so?

[01:14:32] Paul Scheer: Putting your fingers up in that person’s skull.

[01:14:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[01:14:34] June Diane Raphael: Oh.

[01:14:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Just like Tony Bennett.

[01:14:39] Jessica St. Clair: Listen, I, I also, I, I can say all the movies I have to watch for this make me feel physically ill.

[01:14:48] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[01:14:48] Jessica St. Clair: This one didn’t.

[01:14:49] Paul Scheer: Okay.

[01:14:49] June Diane Raphael: Same Jess.

[01:14:50] Jessica St. Clair: And that’s shocking to me.

[01:14:51] Paul Scheer: See, that’s, that’s what I wanted.

[01:14:52] Jessica St. Clair: And what that’s showing me is that.

[01:14:55] June Diane Raphael: You wouldn’t take away from that.

[01:14:56] Jessica St. Clair: Abs, on a man.

[01:14:58] June Diane Raphael: Well, well, yeah.

[01:15:00] Jessica St. Clair: Will get me through a lot.

[01:15:02] June Diane Raphael: Understood.

[01:15:03] Jessica St. Clair: I really mean that.

[01:15:03] Paul Scheer: Well, you’re in luck on this tour. We got some abs coming up. A lot of movies have abs coming up.

[01:15:07] Jessica St. Clair: No, it’s gonna be worse. And I saw those zombie heads on those surfers. I’m so upset.

[01:15:13] Paul Scheer: That’s four shows from now. You got some time.

[01:15:15] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. It’s gonna be bad. But yeah. No, I, I have to say like as far as it goes now, again, didn’t know was a Marvel movie.

[01:15:21] Paul Scheer: Sure.

[01:15:22] Jessica St. Clair: You know, I don’t know about Spider-Man. That wasn’t haunting me the whole time. And you know.

[01:15:27] June Diane Raphael: I, and you and I were so free.

[01:15:29] Jessica St. Clair: We were.

[01:15:29] June Diane Raphael: In our watch to just see what we were seeing and, but without, I think we were the only ones not thinking about Spider-Man.

[01:15:36] Jason Mantzoukas: What’s so interesting is I wish we had watched it together only for the sake of, I would’ve loved to have been present when a man in the, in the movie about hunters and poachers turned into a human rhinoceros.

[01:15:50] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.

[01:15:51] Jason Mantzoukas: If you had no idea that, well, that this was a superhero movie, you’d be like, who?

[01:15:57] June Diane Raphael: You know what though? Interestingly, I wasn’t that shocked. I was like, okay, got it.

[01:16:04] Jessica St. Clair: I could buy that in this world, a doctor did it. Like I thought superheroes, it’s like you were born that way. But I guess the fly is not a superhero.

[01:16:13] Paul Scheer: Fly is not a superhero movie.

[01:16:15] Jessica St. Clair: But that’s. The Hulk. The Hulk. Hulk, Hulk. That experiment gone wrong.

[01:16:21] Jason Mantzoukas: The Hulk. Yeah. It’s a experiment gone wrong. The Hulk born this way.

[01:16:23] Jessica St. Clair: But I thought, okay, we have a serum in this world that makes you a rhino. That doesn’t make you a superhero.

[01:16:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Totally fine.

[01:16:29] Jessica St. Clair: If you have to like stab yourself with a ti something from a tiny backpack that doesn’t make you a superhero.

[01:16:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.

[01:16:36] Jessica St. Clair: Superheroes are born.

[01:16:38] Paul Scheer: Hey, well first of all, lemme a minute wait.

[01:16:39] Jessica St. Clair: They’re not created.

[01:16:41] Paul Scheer: Diabetics out there, I wanna say that you are our superheroes.

[01:16:45] Jessica St. Clair: You’re always pandering to the diabetic crowd, Paul, it’s so see-through.

[01:16:51] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Are you getting kickbacks? Like what?

[01:16:53] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. What the fuck, Paul?

[01:16:55] Paul Scheer: For all you insulin users out there, I see you.

[01:16:58] Jason Mantzoukas: But wait, but you said you claimed earlier that the ports on their body are points of weakness.

[01:17:05] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. You just have to quote, jam a pencil in there. Yeah, you, that’s nice. Paul.

[01:17:09] Jason Mantzoukas: You highlight.

[01:17:10] Paul Scheer: Edit. Edit that out. That out.

[01:17:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[01:17:15] Jessica St. Clair: Okay, so superheroes are created?

[01:17:18] June Diane Raphael: Yes. Like some tragic event like Batman, you know, saw his parents murdered in front of him.

[01:17:22] Jessica St. Clair: I thought, think they were born like something’s off.

[01:17:26] Paul Scheer: No. I mean.

[01:17:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what do you mean something’s off?

[01:17:28] Jessica St. Clair: Part bat.

[01:17:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m part, well, Batman is not part bat. Man batt isn’t he? Man bat is part bat, but Batman is not part bat.

[01:17:36] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, he lives a fucking cave. He’s not a bat. Fuck you man.

[01:17:41] Paul Scheer: Thank you. That’s our show.

[01:17:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Hey. Huge mistake. Huge. Paul, I wanna go on record. Huge mistake. The next 10 minutes St. Clair’s gonna be on fire. She’s, she’s, it’s like a kid who’s been up too late. She’s about to be nothing but truths. We’re gonna wrap it anyway. Yeah, see.

[01:18:03] Paul Scheer: Thank you. Goodnight.

[01:18:04] Jessica St. Clair: Eat shit, Texas.

[01:18:10] Paul Scheer: What a great show. What a crowd. Thank you to everybody who showed up and remember, you can find us anywhere you want online @HDTGM.

[01:18:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Alright, idiots. It’s, it’s Jason. Guess what? We finally have a release date for Taskmaster season 19, and it is right around the corner. If you’re interested in watching the show, you can check it out on YouTube, on the Taskmaster app.

[01:18:34] The official release date is May 1st for the UK viewers on channel four that I believe means it will be available for the rest of us in the world watching it on YouTube. The second. May 2nd. Go to YouTube right now, subscribe to Taskmaster on the YouTube app and get ready for absolute unbridled chaos.

[01:18:57] Paul Scheer: A big thank you to our producer, Scott Sonne and Molly Reynolds, and our movie picking producer Avaryll Halley, as well as our engineer, Casey Holford.

[01:19:04] We’ll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now.