EP. 376 — Driven LIVE!

[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: A movie where the most important thing isn’t winning, it’s winning. We saw Driven, so you know what that means!

[00:00:50] Music: [Intro Song]

[00:01:00] Paul Scheer: Hello people of Earth and hello people of Vancouver!

[00:01:10] We’re back in Canada for a very hot, a very sweaty Stallone summer. That’s right. Sylvester Stallone Summer is heating up, and tonight we are talking about Driven, a movie that came out in 2001. The tagline was, “Welcome to the Human Race.” Oh, damn, damn.

[00:01:42] This movie is deep. Now, you don’t know about Driven, uh, I’ll tell you this much. IMDB, uh, they gave us a little log line for it. And the log line on the IMDB website is this,

[00:01:55] “A young hot shot driver is in the middle of a championship season and is coming apart at the seams. And a former cart champion is called in to give him guidance.”

[00:02:07] That’s a movie. Ooh. Now, if you’re keeping track of our Stallone stats, I’ll tell you this. Driven is the 11th Stallone movie that we have covered on the podcast. He has the third most appearances of any actor only behind Jason Statham and Frank Welker, but that doesn’t really count. In addition to Driven, we have covered Judge Dred, Cobra,

[00:02:33] Stop, or My Mom Will Shoot, Demolition Man, Over the Top, Rhinestone, Tango and Cash, The Specialist, Oscar and Expendables four. Great. Well, well, well, we are here. This movie. I remember being so excited to go to the theater and see a Kip Pardue film. Oh boy. Oh boy. A part that according to an IMDB trivia fact was offered to Leonardo DiCaprio.

[00:03:00] There’s no proof that that is true, but I like the idea that it could have been. Um, tonight we are gonna break down this movie. We’re gonna talk about everything, and we have a bunch of cart racing experts here tonight. That’s right. Please welcome my co-host, Mr. Jason Mantzoukas!

[00:03:27] Jason Mantzoukas: What’s up, jerks?! Let’s go. Let’s go Vancouver. Yeah, that’s right. Gimme the balcony. Fuck yes. Fuck yes. Trapped in a country I hate.

[00:03:48] Eat shit, guy. Until you’re the 51st state.

[00:04:00] Black it out. Black it out. Curtains.

[00:04:06] Paul Scheer: They asked me before the show, what should we do? They said, what should we do if someone starts heckling? Uh, you from the, from the audience. I said, don’t worry. We will heckle them. Uh.

[00:04:18] Jason Mantzoukas: They, they’re trapped in here with us.

[00:04:21] Paul Scheer: We brought this movie here to, to Vancouver for one important reason.

[00:04:26] Jason Mantzoukas: This movie?

[00:04:26] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:04:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Because one of the races happens in Toronto?

[00:04:30] Paul Scheer: And it stars and it stars your very own Estella Warren.

[00:04:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Canadian. Uh, uh, uh, synchronized swimming champion. If you didn’t know, it is real.

[00:04:43] Paul Scheer: The movie has a very well, you’ll get to find out in the movie, but I want.

[00:04:49] Jason Mantzoukas: So are you happy? We have one of your heroes in the movie.

[00:04:54] Paul Scheer: Everywhere you go in Canada, it’s Shea posters and Ella Warren posters back and forth.

[00:05:00] Um, we have an expert here tonight, someone who knows a lot about synchronized swimming. Someone who has found a home here in Vancouver for the last few months. Please welcome June Diane Raphael!

[00:05:20] June Diane Raphael: Wow.

[00:05:32] Paul Scheer: Hello, June. How are you?

[00:05:33] June Diane Raphael: Hi Paul. I’m okay. How are you?

[00:05:35] Paul Scheer: I’m very good. Thank you so much for asking.

[00:05:36] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.

[00:05:37] Paul Scheer: Um, June, I heard you enjoying this film in the other room today as I was preparing.

[00:05:44] Jason Mantzoukas: That sounds,

[00:05:45] June Diane Raphael: I. Listen.

[00:05:45] Jason Mantzoukas: That sounds dirty. I’m gonna say that sounds dirty.

[00:05:48] June Diane Raphael: I had a great time, by the way. I thought Sly looked good.

[00:05:52] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way.

[00:05:52] June Diane Raphael: I’m not afraid to say it.

[00:05:53] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way. A hundred percent agree. Everyone in this movie is a stone cold hunk.

[00:05:58] June Diane Raphael: So I just wish it was longer.

[00:06:02] Paul Scheer: Wow.

[00:06:02] June Diane Raphael: And had.

[00:06:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:06:04] June Diane Raphael: More montages.

[00:06:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:06:06] June Diane Raphael: And then is a perfect movie. No notes.

[00:06:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I agree 100%. I mean, for a lot of the movie I was like, you know what? This movie’s not gonna deliver because nobody’s gonna race. Are these Formula One cars? What are these?

[00:06:19] Paul Scheer: They’re not Formula One. These are cart races.

[00:06:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Cart carts. Are we calling them carts?

[00:06:24] Paul Scheer: Carts. CART. They’re not Formula One. They’re not like.

[00:06:27] Jason Mantzoukas: A, are these go-karts? Well, I changed my opinion of the movie immediately.

[00:06:32] June Diane Raphael: Honestly.

[00:06:32] Jason Mantzoukas: At what misunderstood. And these are go-karts.

[00:06:35] June Diane Raphael: See, wait a second, Paul. These are go-karts.

[00:06:39] Paul Scheer: Here’s what I’ll say.

[00:06:41] June Diane Raphael: Because you said in your introduction that Sly was a go-kart champion.

[00:06:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:06:46] June Diane Raphael: And Jason and I turned to each other backstage and said, what?

[00:06:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I was like, I thought these were like Formula One cars and these are go-karts.

[00:06:54] Paul Scheer: Well, they are called cart not go-kart. But I, but at one point, when the brother.

[00:06:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Is it a lawnmower engine?

[00:07:00] Paul Scheer: Apparently yes. That’s why they could race through Chicago like that.

[00:07:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, but I was like, you know what? This movie’s not gonna get me unless they race dangerously through a big time city. And guess what, they did. They took their go-karts, they raced them right through Chicago.

[00:07:16] I’m gonna be clear, at least three dozen pedestrians perished in that, in that chase. But you know what, those deaths are worth it so that they can have that father son moment after the race is done.

[00:07:31] June Diane Raphael: And I was like, okay. So he was fine. Kipper was fined $25,000 for that like street race. And I was like, but what about the criminal charges?

[00:07:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:07:39] June Diane Raphael: Cause people were harmed.

[00:07:40] Jason Mantzoukas: What about the Yes. What about the vehicular homicide that we clearly watched in the movie?

[00:07:46] Paul Scheer: There is moments where manhole covers are flying back Stallone’s like duck. Well, it had to hit somebody.

[00:07:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. You know how heavy that is? I mean, that we, you have sent Airborne a murder disc.

[00:08:00] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:08:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Murder disc, by the way, is a, a horror movie I’m doing about competitive.

[00:08:06] Paul Scheer: I love.

[00:08:06] June Diane Raphael: Is that right?

[00:08:06] Jason Mantzoukas: About competitive Frisbee guys, so don’t steal it, Canada.

[00:08:12] Paul Scheer: I, I was so blown away in that sequence because they’re going so fast that they drive by a bus station and the glass breaks.

[00:08:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:08:21] Paul Scheer: I’m like, whoa. Then the cop takes out his gun is like 1 95. I’m like, huh. Didn’t seem that.

[00:08:26] June Diane Raphael: I agree faster, but also, so I didn’t know what that event was that they were at, I don’t know.

[00:08:33] Paul Scheer: Dinner party.

[00:08:34] June Diane Raphael: No, that was like a gala, babe. That was a gala.

[00:08:37] Paul Scheer: It was like a, it was like a, a showcase for the new cars.

[00:08:39] June Diane Raphael: Okay. But I am, I have to imagine that the new cars that are, the model cars on the floor are not, or carts, whatever they be, weren’t like ready to drive.

[00:08:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, you see, you see in the movie so many times how hard it is for them to get in the car.

[00:08:58] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:08:59] Jason Mantzoukas: And get it into driving ca like that’s right. Capabilities. It takes four or five other people that happen, get that to be even possible. And they’re jumping in like it’s a fucking Volkswagen, uh, Passat. And, and they’re just like, I like they’re driving a Rocco home.

[00:09:16] Paul Scheer: Now, I will say this.

[00:09:17] Jason Mantzoukas: What’s up?

[00:09:17] Paul Scheer: A lot of, a lot of online discussion. You can’t even start that car from like, like we think of.

[00:09:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Like a cold start.

[00:09:25] Paul Scheer: You’d have to get somebody behind it to like start the engine.

[00:09:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Flintstone. Flintstone start.

[00:09:29] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:09:30] June Diane Raphael: Okay. We, but here’s.

[00:09:31] Paul Scheer: Yes. Oh, go ahead..

[00:09:32] June Diane Raphael: I guess paul, I just wanna, I actually do wanna drill down on, on what the type of racing was, because after watching F1, which I enjoyed and.

[00:09:39] Paul Scheer: I love it.

[00:09:39] June Diane Raphael: And after watching this, I was like, oh, I don’t like racing.

[00:09:43] I don’t like, that’s not for me. And that’s okay. But I’ll, I never, I think I’ve seen it at its most engaging and most thrilling and I say no. So, but was that, that’s not F1. So did they race in like Daytona or the Indie 500? Those the only two I know.

[00:10:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, this is also, this is obviously on a world tour. They’re on, they’re going to all these countries, all these cities.

[00:10:07] Paul Scheer: I will say this, it, it dissolved in 2003. Cart racing, this whole thing, cart racing championship.

[00:10:13] Jason Mantzoukas: What we’re looking at doesn’t even exist?

[00:10:15] Paul Scheer: No.

[00:10:15] June Diane Raphael: Wow.

[00:10:16] Paul Scheer: So, uh, this is what it is.

[00:10:17] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s gone extinct. You are saying this is an extinct sport. We’ve gotta bring it back. Will sly bring it back?

[00:10:25] Paul Scheer: It is a championship auto racing teams cart. Okay. Is a sanctioned body for the.

[00:10:31] June Diane Raphael: Stop saying cart.

[00:10:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay, so wait a minute. So Cart doesn’t even, that’s an acronym.

[00:10:37] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:10:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Get Fucked, movie

[00:10:41] Paul Scheer: Cart was founded in 1979, dissolved in 2003.

[00:10:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait a minute. This is a like, oh, whoa. I thought I was gaining access to a real thing.

[00:10:52] June Diane Raphael: Same, same. I’m mad.

[00:10:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Here I am.

[00:10:55] June Diane Raphael: I’m mad

[00:10:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Backstage. Looking up like, can a 52-year-old still become champion at Cart?

[00:11:00] Paul Scheer: Well, this is it. Well, here’s the thing. Cart owners broke off to form their own series and the Sports biggest race in centerpiece is Indianapolis 500.

[00:11:10] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I was right.

[00:11:10] Paul Scheer: So, uh, throughout the eighties and nineties, the cart, indie Car World Series became the preeminent open wheel auto racing series in North America.

[00:11:19] Jason Mantzoukas: I, so everything else is closed wheel. What does that mean?

[00:11:23] Paul Scheer: It features a diverse schedule of super speedways, short ovals, road courses and street circuit. Uh.

[00:11:31] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t know. Can, can ma, can Mario get on this cart? What’s the deal?

[00:11:35] June Diane Raphael: Here’s the thing too that I struggle with, with F1 in this movie. All of the scenes we’re watching our drivers workout. Why?

[00:11:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. And honestly.

[00:11:45] June Diane Raphael: Why?

[00:11:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Some of them seem too big to get in the car.

[00:11:48] June Diane Raphael: If you have to get in and out in five seconds. And that’s a part of like the regulation.

[00:11:52] Jason Mantzoukas: You can’t be that jacked.

[00:11:53] June Diane Raphael: Don’t, don’t get muscle. Don’t stop running. Stop doing whatever you’re doing and sit down.

[00:11:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Why? Here’s my question. Why aren’t these guys jockeys? Why aren’t they got, why aren’t they little jockeys? Put ’em in there.

[00:12:05] Paul Scheer: Yeah. We need little, let’s, because their legs have to reach the the pedals.

[00:12:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Move them. Move the pedals. Alright. It’s carts.

[00:12:11] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Move them.

[00:12:12] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s not real.

[00:12:13] Paul Scheer: Well, it seems like the original plan for this movie didn’t work out. And this is a press conference that we found from 1997. Uh, here we go. So this is Stallone at.

[00:12:26] Sylvester Stallone: We can do a film that will make.

[00:12:27] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s Robert Rodriguez behind him.

[00:12:29] Sylvester Stallone: Show this sport and all the grandeur and intelligence and creativity and, uh, uniqueness that it, that it does possess.

[00:12:36] And that’s why we’re here now. And if I can, I’d love to get, uh, Bernie Applestone get up here and sign the contract. So I know that everything is going to happen. Bernie.

[00:12:47] Paul Scheer: So Stallone was gonna make it.

[00:12:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Formula One, it says.

[00:12:50] Paul Scheer: He was gonna make his own F1 movie.

[00:12:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:12:53] Paul Scheer: They read the script and said we’re out. And.

[00:12:58] Jason Mantzoukas: The script of this movie?

[00:12:59] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:12:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:13:00] Paul Scheer: And it became a cart movie. So he was going to make F1. They had done press about it. He had gone there, he was scouting it, it was all gonna be F1 and they said no. Uh, what I understand from seeing F1, they’re all about branding, and they’re like, Nope on this one.

[00:13:19] June Diane Raphael: Well, I have to say one thing I was, I was proud of. I, I knew that the fact that Target was a brand on the cart of our villain, I was like, he’s gonna have a turn. Well, there’s no way Target has co-signed absolutely on sponsoring this now.

[00:13:36] Jason Mantzoukas: And what I loved about this movie, this movie that is a referendum on masculinity, I believe.

[00:13:43] Paul Scheer: Finally.

[00:13:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Finally, finally.

[00:13:46] Paul Scheer: Finally.

[00:13:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Men and their emotions.

[00:13:49] Paul Scheer: Can’t we be men?

[00:13:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Are possibly depicted on screen. Um. I felt like I loved him as a villain because he was giving me real Iceman from Top Gun vibes.

[00:14:01] June Diane Raphael: Okay.

[00:14:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, he’s the villain, but he’s still inescapably part of the team.

[00:14:06] Paul Scheer: They look too similar.

[00:14:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.

[00:14:09] Paul Scheer: You cannot have a hero and villain that look this similar.

[00:14:12] June Diane Raphael: And by the way, having two blonde men on screen together in the beginning of the movie was absolutely confounding to me. And I know I’ve said before that blonde men are silly billies. And I know that a lot of people, people had a reaction to that. But I to have two silly billies together like that.

[00:14:28] Paul Scheer: Did not like it.

[00:14:29] June Diane Raphael: I couldn’t, I couldn’t remember.

[00:14:30] Paul Scheer: Confused who was who and I was confused at which team he was on. ‘Cause I was like, me too. Wait, I thought he’s on there.

[00:14:34] Jason Mantzoukas: But you know what it does? It helps remind you which one is Stallone.

[00:14:39] June Diane Raphael: Whoa. You’re right, Jason.

[00:14:41] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:14:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Because cutting a swath through this, through these blondes, all these tall blondes. Is this little pocket size Wolverine. Sorry. I know he is one of yours bub.

[00:14:56] Paul Scheer: By the way.

[00:14:56] June Diane Raphael: True. He really pops.

[00:14:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, of course he does because he’s at least 40 years older than everybody in the movie.

[00:15:03] Paul Scheer: I wanna just drill down on that for a second. How old do you think Jimmy is?

[00:15:07] June Diane Raphael: Jimmy Sly?

[00:15:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Tonto.

[00:15:09] Paul Scheer: Oh, sorry. Jimmy Tonto.

[00:15:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Jimmy Tonto. Tonto. Which is the name, name of a blade shape, a knife. A knife shape.

[00:15:14] June Diane Raphael: Mean Joe.

[00:15:16] Paul Scheer: Uh, sorry. Sorry. Joe Tonto. How old is Joe Tonto?

[00:15:19] June Diane Raphael: The character? Joe Tonto.

[00:15:20] Paul Scheer: How old is the character? The character of Joe Tonto. I’ll ask it again. How old do you think the character of Joe Tonto is?

[00:15:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, Jimmy?

[00:15:28] Paul Scheer: Nope. Joe. Joe Tonto. Joe Tonto. Now this is a.

[00:15:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Stallone’s character?

[00:15:33] Paul Scheer: Yes. Stallone’s character. Now Stallone in the movie. In the movie.

[00:15:35] Jason Mantzoukas: How old is the character or how old is Stallone?

[00:15:37] Paul Scheer: Right. So how old is Jimmy? Jimmy? Oh, Jimmy Joe, let me ask it again. How old is Joe Tonto, Joe the Hummer Tonto?

[00:15:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Yes. Joe the Hummer Tonto. And it never occurs to Stallone the other meaning of Hummer.

[00:15:58] Paul Scheer: I mean, and it should. He wrote the script and I believe there was a leak audio clip of him getting a blowjob, so.

[00:16:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yes.

[00:16:06] Paul Scheer: He should be aware of it.

[00:16:08] Jason Mantzoukas: I, that’s exactly right.

[00:16:09] June Diane Raphael: But by the way, the, those hums, I wanna talk about the hums for roughly the next hour, but I’m gonna need some time.

[00:16:15] Paul Scheer: By the way, just so you know, in the crowd.

[00:16:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Keep humming, Joe.

[00:16:18] Paul Scheer: There was a, uh, a sign. Keep humming Joe

[00:16:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Bly is top man. Just to get ESPN as the last letters do better art department. Also keep humming Joe. It’s like there’s so much space after Joe. Oh, I loved it.

[00:16:39] Paul Scheer: Uh, the hum me. We can play the humming scene if you want.

[00:16:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, no, my answer to you Paul, though, is 39.

[00:16:46] Paul Scheer: June.

[00:16:47] June Diane Raphael: The character?

[00:16:48] Paul Scheer: The, the character character of Joe the Hummer Tonto.

[00:16:52] June Diane Raphael: I’d say the character. ’cause he is washed up.

[00:16:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:16:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:16:55] June Diane Raphael: And again, I’m just gonna go back to like what I know about having Yeah. What do you know to be in that tiny space and do what they do do, I guess it doesn’t seem you need to be in fit or any certain age. Like you don’t need to be in your prime at all. So I, but I know he, he’s washed up young in the world of the movie.

[00:17:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Some seems like it’s a young man’s sport.

[00:17:12] June Diane Raphael: I know, but again, I ask why.

[00:17:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:17:13] June Diane Raphael: But, but put that over there for a second. I’m gonna put him at like, the character at like 47.

[00:17:21] Paul Scheer: Okay. 37.

[00:17:25] Jason Mantzoukas: 37.

[00:17:27] Paul Scheer: Stallone himself was 55 when he made it.

[00:17:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Yes, exactly. Exactly, which is too old. 52. He could have gotten away with it. 55 though. Too old. We all agree.

[00:17:39] Paul Scheer: 37, Stallone is 37.

[00:17:44] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s impossible to imagine.

[00:17:45] Paul Scheer: It makes a lot more sense that his contemporary is that young man.

[00:17:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, no, what makes more, which makes all the sense in the world, is what we know to be true, which is his contemporary is Burt Reynolds. Stallone and Burt Reynolds are peers and they have a father son relationship. I, I don’t think so.

[00:18:05] June Diane Raphael: Right. They’re brothers like Robert, Sean Leonard, and Kip and

[00:18:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. The other guy.

[00:18:11] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:18:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Robert, Sean Leonard miscast as the smarmy brother, because I gotta tell you though, he’s just a sweetheart all the time.

[00:18:18] June Diane Raphael: He’s a sweetheart all the time. And I, but I, ah, God, the end scene where he’s looking at his brother after that big win.

[00:18:24] When, by the way, the big emotional narrative of the movie is that they start one place and I guess really end this very same place and not, I didn’t think that a lot happened on the journey there, but not.

[00:18:35] Paul Scheer: It’ss like a circular track. We started where we began.

[00:18:37] June Diane Raphael: We just completed a lap.

[00:18:39] Paul Scheer: We ended where we began.

[00:18:40] Jason Mantzoukas: You got just until you pick up the lap.

[00:18:42] June Diane Raphael: But once we got there in that big moment at the end, and they cut to Robert, and he’s looking at him and he smiled. I cried. Oh, I did.

[00:18:50] Jason Mantzoukas: I wanna be very clear.

[00:18:52] June Diane Raphael: I cried.

[00:18:52] Jason Mantzoukas: I cried a number of times in movie.

[00:18:55] June Diane Raphael: When else?

[00:18:56] Jason Mantzoukas: I cried a number of times, and in fact, I, I wrote a note in my notes, uh, that was, here’s what I would like, here’s what I want for the next Fast and Furious movie.

[00:19:08] Paul Scheer: Uhoh.

[00:19:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Put Memo in the crew.

[00:19:11] June Diane Raphael: Okay.

[00:19:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Justice for Memo.

[00:19:13] June Diane Raphael: Okay.

[00:19:14] Paul Scheer: Memo is amazing.

[00:19:15] Jason Mantzoukas: My guy is out here. I want him to win.

[00:19:18] Paul Scheer: I believe that Stallone wrote Memo for Jean Claude Van Damm.

[00:19:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:19:22] Paul Scheer: Because he had a very Jean Claude energy.

[00:19:24] June Diane Raphael: That’s interesting.

[00:19:25] Paul Scheer: And I loved.

[00:19:27] Jason Mantzoukas: How just good vibes Memo was.

[00:19:29] Paul Scheer: Memo was like, you wanna fuck my wife?

[00:19:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:19:31] Paul Scheer: Fuck my wife. It’s cool with me. I’m not jealous. Memo was fine.

[00:19:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Memo is the best dude in the world. I fucking loved him.

[00:19:42] June Diane Raphael: Honestly, after he’s paralyzed, I think from the waist down, um, he seems to be taking it in stride.

[00:19:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he’s like, he Yes, he yes. With a smile on his face, he is screaming, I cannot move my legs.

[00:20:00] Paul Scheer: This movie tries so hard to, he like, I feel like this movie is conflicted. Like, what is it? Is it a story about like, uh, is it like Rocky, but Rocky plays Mickey? No. Is, it’s Rocky playing Rocky. But it’s like, there’s so many variables and you’re thrown into so many relationships. When Gina Gershon shows up, I’m like, wait a second. I don’t even know how to feel about this.

[00:20:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:20:23] June Diane Raphael: Well I was so happy she was there.

[00:20:25] Paul Scheer: Oh, I loved her.

[00:20:26] June Diane Raphael: When Gina Gershon showed up in a boot, cut, low rise.

[00:20:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Forget about it.

[00:20:29] June Diane Raphael: I was like, wow.

[00:20:31] Jason Mantzoukas: And let’s go back. Can we go back to boot cut low rise.

[00:20:35] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I know. Jason, you’ve said it a number of times on this podcast. You don’t like a high-rise jean.

[00:20:40] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t like it.

[00:20:41] Paul Scheer: Makes no sense.

[00:20:43] June Diane Raphael: And I don’t know a lot of women to have different feelings about it, but I know you love.

[00:20:47] Jason Mantzoukas: I’d love to talk to them about it.

[00:20:48] June Diane Raphael: I know you love the low-rise jean era, but she was giving, I’m sorry. That’s a wonderful performance. She was when she said in the mirror after Luke.

[00:21:00] I don’t, we haven’t talked about Luke yet. Um. That woman whose job I’m not clear on at.

[00:21:06] Paul Scheer: The reporter who just started flying with them and is hanging out in like, it seems like a pit crew.

[00:21:13] June Diane Raphael: Everyone.

[00:21:13] Jason Mantzoukas: You gotta remember, this is when newspapers had all the money in the world and they could send a reporter on a year long tour of cart racing.

[00:21:22] June Diane Raphael: She just sort of embedded.

[00:21:24] Paul Scheer: Biggest racing.

[00:21:26] June Diane Raphael: But also, I feel like this is one of those movies where when a woman has a man’s name, you’re like, oh, she’s gonna be interesting.

[00:21:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.

[00:21:32] June Diane Raphael: When Gina Gershon though said, after Luke came in and they had that moment in the bathroom together, great scene. And when, when Luke was leaving and she goes, your mascara is running.

[00:21:43] And Gina Gershon said something back to her and then she looked in the mirror and said, stupid bitch. I was like.

[00:21:49] Paul Scheer: Loved her.

[00:21:49] June Diane Raphael: I love this movie. Yeah, love. I love, love it.

[00:21:52] Jason Mantzoukas: And I loved the, all the, it’s just a series of romantic triangles that just keep moving, like, like magnets closer together and farther apart.

[00:22:03] June Diane Raphael: Here’s a question.

[00:22:03] Paul Scheer: But we’re not getting enough information to feel totally invested because it seems like, uh, Estella Warren is

[00:22:10] June Diane Raphael: Sophie or Sophia, I’m not sure.

[00:22:13] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Sophia Simone.

[00:22:15] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, that’s right.

[00:22:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Sophia Simone. Oh, wow.

[00:22:17] Paul Scheer: Uh, is Beau’s girlfriend, he breaks up with her.

[00:22:20] Jason Mantzoukas: They’re engaged.

[00:22:21] Paul Scheer: They’re engaged. Right, right.

[00:22:22] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s the ring she gives back.

[00:22:24] Paul Scheer: And then the next night, or maybe let’s say two nights later, she’s at a bar and she’s like, look, I don’t want to get in another relationship. And then the next day they’re in a relationship.

[00:22:34] June Diane Raphael: She’s down to clown.

[00:22:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Let me ask you a question.

[00:22:36] Paul Scheer: But they’re in a serious. She’s not trying to hunt you.

[00:22:38] June Diane Raphael: No, no, no, no. I, I wanna ask you a serious question, Jason, and it might be the same question.

[00:22:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Great.

[00:22:44] June Diane Raphael: What, what, what does Sophia want?

[00:22:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, what did she want? Oh, that’s a great question. Hmm.

[00:22:53] Paul Scheer: What drive? Wait, wait, what drives?

[00:22:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.

[00:22:56] Paul Scheer: Sophia.

[00:22:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:22:57] June Diane Raphael: I could never tell.

[00:22:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:22:58] June Diane Raphael: I could never tell. I’m like, I don’t know what. I mean. I get that she’s upset. Well, she.

[00:23:06] Paul Scheer: She’s like, why won’t they ever let me compete? I’m clearly very talented. I gotta fucking go around here all the time. I don’t even work in the pit crew. I could do this. Anybody even do that?

[00:23:17] Jason Mantzoukas: This leads me to what my, what part of my question was, which is, is she employed in any way in any of the teams?

[00:23:24] Paul Scheer: She seemed to just be hanging around.

[00:23:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. So for quite a while I thought she was employed on because she, they are very loose about who gets headphones. They’re very cool about who gets to have headphones so that they can be like, Hey, shut up. Hey Don, you stop talking. Yeah, I thought she was, so, I believe my question though was do you think she and, um, Jimmy, no.

[00:23:52] June Diane Raphael: Jimmy.

[00:23:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Jim, the kid.

[00:23:54] Paul Scheer: Jimmy Bly.

[00:23:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Are they involved romantically or are they in a?

[00:23:58] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[00:23:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you really think that, or are they just hanging out?

[00:24:02] Paul Scheer: No.

[00:24:03] June Diane Raphael: Well, what do you, how do you define hanging out?

[00:24:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Hmm. Well, here’s why I’m asking. Here’s why I’m asking.

[00:24:10] June Diane Raphael: A thousand percent.

[00:24:11] Jason Mantzoukas: How in the world does Sylvester Stallone make a movie in which there is a romantic couple and there is not a sex scene?

[00:24:18] June Diane Raphael: I don’t know. I was upset about it.

[00:24:20] Paul Scheer: Because I will tell you.

[00:24:22] Jason Mantzoukas: ‘Cause that is shocking to me. So much so that I was like, it’s, they make such a point in the movie of telling him over and over again, she’s not over Beau. She’s not ready for you. That I was like, oh, maybe they are just hanging out and he wants more. And she is, as she does, goes back to Beau.

[00:24:39] Paul Scheer: I don’t. I’ll just give you a, a couple just little things to keep in your head. Stallone wrote 25 drafts of this script, the original.

[00:24:47] Jason Mantzoukas: 2024. Too many.

[00:24:48] Paul Scheer: Yep. Original script. 220 pages long.

[00:24:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Shoot it baby, shoot it.

[00:24:55] Paul Scheer: The, uh, original cut of this movie, five hours.

[00:25:00] June Diane Raphael: What?

[00:25:02] Paul Scheer: Stallone used to be best friends with Renny Harlan, the director. But when the movie shifted focus to Kip Purdue, they never spoke again.

[00:25:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa. Oh, was that not the intention, please?

[00:25:15] Paul Scheer: No.

[00:25:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.

[00:25:16] Paul Scheer: So basically the studio wanted more chip. Um, ki Kip, Kip Chip, um, chip Kip. And uh, and that is.

[00:25:25] Jason Mantzoukas: And he’s the heir to the Purdue Fortune? The Purdue. That’s the Purdue chicken.

[00:25:30] Paul Scheer: Yeah. He was like, and that it was odd that he would not let that a Purdue chicken on the car. Um, I do wanna read this quote because this is pretty much a, this is Stallone talking about it.

[00:25:43] “Racing’s very much like the world of acting. You got your front runners and you have your guys that are there for the long race and you have your other guys that block for people, they’re called supporting actors.”

[00:25:55] June Diane Raphael: Oh God, I disagree. Very respectfully. I disagree.

[00:26:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:26:02] Paul Scheer: “It’s all the same kind of situation and you realize you can’t be number one, you can’t be the guy in front all the time. So you can lend support and you can help nourish and encourage someone else. It’s like your experiences live on in someone else. If you can find some young actor and you can say, listen. Don’t do this, don’t do that, and avoid this and avoid that. And you share your experiences and then he succeeds. You can say, you know what, I kind of contributed to that. As an actor, you gotta learn you can’t be number one the hard way. Unfortunately I did.”

[00:26:43] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s incredible. That’s incredible because at the end of the movie, Burt Reynolds says to him, you could have won, couldn’t you? And he says, I did. And that’s the sentiment that he’s trying to get across. And there’s such a push pull in the movie that he, he clearly needs in the same way as he became into the Rocky Movies and the Creed movies, he still wants to have the win. He’s still.

[00:27:05] Paul Scheer: He’s not good. He’s not gonna give it up. And as a matter of fact, I don’t mean to do this, but, June heard me editing this and was very confused and I wanted.

[00:27:12] June Diane Raphael: Well, I heard you editing in the other room and I was like, you’re editing a scene that I didn’t see in this movie.

[00:27:17] Paul Scheer: So enjoy this little mashup. I think it’s self explanatory. Okay. Obviously two films written by Sylvester Stallone.

[00:27:25] Movie Audio: Everybody trips, that’s okay. That’s life. It’s how fast you get up the counts. So get up, Jimmy. But get up fast.

[00:27:36] But it ain’t about how hard you hit, it’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done. Now, if you know what you’re worth now, go out and get what you’re worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hits and not pointing fingers, say you ain’t where you want to be because of him or her, or anybody. Cowards do that and that ain’t you.

[00:28:01] You pick up a paycheck to help me out because you didn’t help yourself when you had the chance. Why does that make you so much better than me, Joe?

[00:28:07] Now I start to get a little ahead. I start to get a little something for myself. And this happens. Now I’m asking you as a favor not to go through with this. Okay? This is only gonna end up bad for you and it’s gonna end up bad for me.

[00:28:20] And you don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about. And you don’t know who you are anymore. Somebody put it in your mind you gotta be perfect every time out. You’re a failure. Well, forget that. Just forget it.

[00:28:32] Then the time come for you to be your own man and take on the world. And you did. But somewhere along the line you changed. You stopped being you. You let people stick a finger in your face and tell you you’re no good. And when things got hard, you started looking for something to blame, like a big shadow.

[00:28:50] And winning, it’s an attitude. So if you trust me now, if you trust yourself by the end of the season, you’ll either be on top or you won’t. But I guarantee you, you’re gonna know what Jimmy Bly has really made of.

[00:29:03] But until you start believing in yourself, you’re gonna have a life.

[00:29:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible.

[00:29:09] June Diane Raphael: You know what I gotta tell you though. I, uh, you know, I love a Sly monologue. I like, I it, I’m sorry, that works.

[00:29:24] Paul Scheer: Very similar though.

[00:29:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Works. It works every time.

[00:29:26] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:29:26] June Diane Raphael: Works every time.

[00:29:27] Jason Mantzoukas: And it, I mean, like, and by the way, I’m like, yes, Jess from Gilmore Girls, get it. Let’s go.

[00:29:34] And in that movie, in that movie, Stallone, I believe is playing 39.

[00:29:38] Paul Scheer: Yes. He’s younger in Balboa.

[00:29:41] June Diane Raphael: Oh man. I would love to talk about the denim hat that Gina Gershon wore.

[00:29:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:29:49] June Diane Raphael: ‘Cause here’s the thing about that hat. I paused when he came on screen. I spent a lot of time with it. Because it was half bucket hat and half like witches hat.

[00:30:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:30:01] June Diane Raphael: It was something I had never seen before in all my days.

[00:30:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Here’s the thing, the movie appears to be written by and for rap rock, including all of the fashions.

[00:30:12] Paul Scheer: I mean, when I saw this movie music by BT. I was like, wow.

[00:30:17] Jason Mantzoukas: This is before they got, this is before they got S.

[00:30:20] Paul Scheer: I was like, this is not ringing any bells for me.

[00:30:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Guys. That’s the best joke of the night. That’s, it’s not gonna get better than that.

[00:30:27] Paul Scheer: I wrote that joke down. I didn’t say it because I was ready for it.

[00:30:30] June Diane Raphael: There’s also so much music in this movie that like. It’s so fascinating that there’s no dialogue in the trailer because like there’s, but there’s barely any dialogue in the movie.

[00:30:38] There’s so much music that at a point I was like, oh, my Spotify must be on, on my computer. Like, this can’t be the movie. I, I, there’s. There’s never a moment of silence.

[00:30:49] Jason Mantzoukas: And it is very disruptive and intrusive music throughout. And that was bizarre. Did you notice though, once Memo gets paralyzed and is in the hospital, all of Gina Gershon’s outfits go to like schoolmarm.

[00:31:06] She goes from dressing.

[00:31:08] June Diane Raphael: Jason.

[00:31:08] Jason Mantzoukas: So insanely great in the races, cowboy hats, all sorts of craziness to like, uh, like I believe a an Amish woman.

[00:31:17] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:31:17] June Diane Raphael: It’s so fascinating.

[00:31:18] Paul Scheer: She’s living a different life.

[00:31:19] June Diane Raphael: ‘Cause I was really tracking that journey

[00:31:22] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:31:22] June Diane Raphael: Through her clothing. And I was like, she seems so happy and content in that hospital room. I mean, does his dick still work? I’m gonna ask that question. I think the answer’s yes. Based on like.

[00:31:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Well did you watch the cut scene? Did you watch the post credit scene?

[00:31:36] June Diane Raphael: No, I didn’t know there was.

[00:31:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. The post credit scene’s all about his dick working.

[00:31:39] Paul Scheer: Yeah. It’s a pretty exciting scene.

[00:31:44] June Diane Raphael: So.

[00:31:45] Jason Mantzoukas: She picks three quarters up off the floor.

[00:31:47] June Diane Raphael: Okay. This all makes sense because based on what we had seen before and how.

[00:31:53] Paul Scheer: She checks his balls, quarter, quarter, quarter.

[00:31:58] June Diane Raphael: Based on what we had seen before about her character, I was like, what’s she so happy about? No, I know.

[00:32:04] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Well, she doesn’t, she doesn’t have to travel anymore.

[00:32:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, so here’s my other question for both of you.

[00:32:10] Who was the girl backstage who said that she needed to kiss all the podcasters before she had a bet with someone that she could kiss all the podcasters before the show? And you guys both kissed her.

[00:32:21] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I mean she asked nicely.

[00:32:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. I said, you lost.

[00:32:28] June Diane Raphael: Who was that woman? Who was that woman? What were we to learn from that scene? Confounding.

[00:32:35] Jason Mantzoukas: There are, but why? What was the, yeah. What was the purpose of in, of having that woman be A, able to get in the pit right as the race is about to start.

[00:32:44] June Diane Raphael: The only thing I can think is that there in the five hour cut that wasn’t released, and by the way, release the Stallone cut. Release the release it, release it.

[00:32:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Release the smooch cut.

[00:32:54] June Diane Raphael: But, but in that cut, I imagine she must be es establ. It must be established that he is a bit of a womanizer and has many women.

[00:33:01] Paul Scheer: I have. I have a feeling that Stallone’s kind of like, you know, baseball, you know, there’s a girl who runs out on field or she kisses the guys. I think be funny if, you know, in the race car as a girl runs out, kisses the guys.

[00:33:13] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s, I think that’s a hundred percent right. I also think it’s there to make us feel like Bo still cares for Sophia. Sophia. Sophia Simone. Sophia Simon,

[00:33:23] Paul Scheer: Sophia Simone, the swimmer.

[00:33:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, I feel like yes, it’s meant to be like, he’s not gonna do that. He really is still carrying that torch for her. ’cause I think the movie wants us to believe they’re supposed supposed to be together.

[00:33:36] Paul Scheer: They were engaged. They were engaged.

[00:33:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah. Oh, I’m aware. I’m aware.

[00:33:41] Paul Scheer: I mean, they, he broke up with her on a whim. He is like, she’s like, am I in your way? He is like, yeah, you actually are. Get the fuck outta here. It’s like, wow. Okay. And then she like leaves and he is like, all right, I’m done. And then Stallone crosses battle lines to go over and give girl advice.

[00:33:54] Like, Hey, lemme tell you. Go talk to her. And he’s like, all right, I will. Like Stallone’s working both sides of this.

[00:34:00] June Diane Raphael: You are forgetting. You guys are forgetting. It’s about the brotherhood of speed.

[00:34:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Yes.

[00:34:05] June Diane Raphael: It’s about the brotherhood of speed. And that’s what they’re all a part of. And you guys don’t understand that.

[00:34:10] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s true.

[00:34:10] Paul Scheer: Well, now let me ask you this question.

[00:34:11] Jason Mantzoukas: But the women understand it more than even they do.

[00:34:15] Paul Scheer: Yes, I agree. And they’re okay with it all because they need to pour that champagne in each other’s mouths. They need to take that bottle, jerk it so hard, pour it all in. Ah, give it to me. Give it to me Jimmy. And then Stallone. I gotta get in there too. Ah.

[00:34:35] Jason Mantzoukas: It does all feel, the movie does feel like it’s building to some sort of Etu mama tambien situation.

[00:34:43] June Diane Raphael: Truly.

[00:34:43] Paul Scheer: But here, but I guess the question that I.

[00:34:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Where you just see Gina Gershon and uh, um, Sophie, uh, uh, Simone coming out of the room while the rest of the guys are like partying in there. It’s a wrap rock.

[00:34:56] Paul Scheer: Let them, let them have their weekend.

[00:34:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Let the bodies hit the floor.

[00:35:02] Paul Scheer: So I guess my question is this, and, and not to be insensitive in any way. I was shocked when it was revealed that Bert Reynolds was in a wheelchair. And then when Bert Reynolds and Stallone have their moment. Was he eluding that Stallone paralyzed Burt Reynolds?

[00:35:18] June Diane Raphael: I think so.

[00:35:19] Paul Scheer: So is that like the, the trajectory is like.

[00:35:22] June Diane Raphael: There’s so, but, but, but there’s so many moments in this movie, like that scene where you’re like, huh. Like the moment in the, again, where Gina Gershon in that big gala scene is talking to Stallone and she’s like, and if you are not gonna make it by midnight, you’re never gonna make it.

[00:35:39] If you don’t do it by midnight tonight, it’s never gonna happen. What? And I’m like, what? I’m like, what, what is it?

[00:35:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:35:45] Paul Scheer: Like it. And then like, she’s like, and it seems like, and at least, and I don’t wanna make any aspersions on anyone’s whatever, but it seems like that reporter’s a little bit more chaste.

[00:35:53] Like she’s not gonna be.

[00:35:54] June Diane Raphael: Careful, Paul.

[00:35:56] Paul Scheer: I just felt that she was a little buttoned up, forced alone.

[00:35:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:36:00] Paul Scheer: Especially next to Gershon.

[00:36:01] June Diane Raphael: She had a red body suit on that was a little off the shoulder in the pool scene. What are you talking about?

[00:36:08] Paul Scheer: Wait. Oh yeah. The pool scene. Well, she was asking some pretty hard hitting questions.

[00:36:13] Um, I just felt like.

[00:36:15] June Diane Raphael: Okay, yeah, she was a little compared to Gina Gershon.

[00:36:17] Paul Scheer: So like Gina Gershon’s like, you better fuck this reporter by midnight or it’s never gonna happen.

[00:36:21] June Diane Raphael: Is that what she was, is that what they was talking about?

[00:36:23] Jason Mantzoukas: No.

[00:36:23] Paul Scheer: That that’s, I, that’s how I took it. Oh, that’s what I thought.

[00:36:28] June Diane Raphael: No, no. I don’t know what she was talking about. I just know she wasn’t saying like that.

[00:36:32] Paul Scheer: Oh, no. Because no, she def she was, because Stallone’s like talking to her and then she comes over and that’s why they get upset with each other in the bathroom. That, thank you Vancouver. Thank you.

[00:36:45] Jason Mantzoukas: But I don’t think.

[00:36:46] Paul Scheer: I get symbolism.

[00:36:47] Jason Mantzoukas: But I definitely don’t think that’s symbolism, first of all.

[00:36:52] Paul Scheer: The symbol of a woman being someone he wants, and then.

[00:36:57] June Diane Raphael: Wait. Oh.

[00:36:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t think G. Wait, you think that Gina Gershon is saying, if you don’t fuck this reporter by midnight, you’ll know never fuck her?

[00:37:05] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:37:06] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s what you want too.

[00:37:09] June Diane Raphael: Why did?

[00:37:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Who fucks before midnight?

[00:37:12] Paul Scheer: She knows she has a deadline in the morning. She’s gotta get up and put her stories.

[00:37:16] Jason Mantzoukas: No, she doesn’t. She has so many more cities to go to. She’s, she’s on an endless journey with the, with the cart team.

[00:37:24] June Diane Raphael: Wow.

[00:37:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Still, I’m furious Cart is an acronym.

[00:37:27] June Diane Raphael: I’m really, I, I haven’t recovered from that either, but I’m So what, why is Gina Gershon Like, why is she tracking that of whatever?

[00:37:36] Paul Scheer: She’s taunting him. Thank you. She’s taunting him. She’s taunting him because she’s like, you are a like, she’s like, I got the better version of you. He’s younger, he’s better. And she’s like, you know what? You left. She’s still angry. You left me. The minute I get something going, you come back here and you’re messing up with my guy.

[00:37:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Here’s what’s hard about.

[00:37:54] June Diane Raphael: You’re really channeling her.

[00:37:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. You are. Paul. Hey. Hey, Paul did. Did Jimmy Tonto hurt you?

[00:38:04] Paul Scheer: The minute I’m gonna fuck your brains out.

[00:38:08] Jason Mantzoukas: What?

[00:38:08] Paul Scheer: Just outta anger. Fuck your brains out.

[00:38:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Here’s what’s interesting about the movie.

[00:38:13] Paul Scheer: I’m gonna fuck the reporter for you. And then she, that’s why she’s upset. Dumb bitch. She’s like, yeah. She’s like, ah, she would’ve gotten in there by midnight.

[00:38:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:38:23] I’ve never seen Paul this fired up in my life. Wow. Um, here’s the thing. Only a movie written by Stallone. What’s so hard in this, for both Burt Reynolds’ character and Gina Gershon’s character is both of them appear to have legitimate grievances with Stallone, but Stallone won’t let the facts of those grievances become part of the movie’s narrative.

[00:38:48] Paul Scheer: I agree.

[00:38:49] June Diane Raphael: That’s exactly right.

[00:38:50] Jason Mantzoukas: So they aren’t allowed to say, here’s how you hurt me, here’s how I’m still hurting because of you. They instead have to be, you are secretly the hero we need, and in fact, what’s so shocking to me in the movie is that when Jimmy, not Jimmy, when the kid is the kid’s name, Jimmy?

[00:39:11] Paul Scheer: The American guy and the guy, yeah.

[00:39:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. When the kid and Bo go to save Memo. Right. In my mind, and I wrote in my notes, I’m shocked that Stallone allowed an act of heroism to happen that he wasn’t a part of.

[00:39:25] June Diane Raphael: But Jason.

[00:39:26] Jason Mantzoukas: But when the newscaster at the end of the movie is reporting on the events that happened, he includes Stallone’s character is one of the three heroes who saved Memo’s life.

[00:39:41] Come on. That is Stallone all the way. And if you wanna understand America, this is the Rosetta Stone. The Rosetta Stallone. Put that in.

[00:39:55] Black it out. The show’s over. Go home idiots. The Rosetta Stallone absolutely is a t-shirt that I’m making.

[00:40:06] June Diane Raphael: Thousand percent.

[00:40:06] Paul Scheer: I love that. I meant, I think we got the shirt, um, and written.

[00:40:10] June Diane Raphael: My God.

[00:40:10] Paul Scheer: The original script, Bo did not try to rescue Memo.

[00:40:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.

[00:40:15] Paul Scheer: And then Renny was like, it made him look heartless.

[00:40:18] And then, uh, Stallone rewrote the scene with just Jimmy saving Memo. And then the scene was re-shot again, and then Tonto was in it. But Renny Harlan digitally erased him.

[00:40:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa. Oh, there’s so much good drama.

[00:40:36] Paul Scheer: And that’s why they don’t talk. Now, when we talk about.

[00:40:39] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way, by the way, I mean, congrats to Renny Harlan, because that must have been very hard to do, to go up against Stallone like that. And it’s better for the movie.

[00:40:50] Paul Scheer: To erase him out of the thing.

[00:40:56] June Diane Raphael: You know, one thing I noticed is that Jimmy, what’s his name again?

[00:41:01] Paul Scheer: Jimmy Bly.

[00:41:02] June Diane Raphael: Jimmy Bly. He wears glasses all the time, except when driving.

[00:41:10] Paul Scheer: Well, he needs glasses because he’s playing his racing game. Uh, this to me was the worst part of the entire movie that Jimmy’s practicing on this using an up down key on his computer. There’s no way that this is helping him on the cart.

[00:41:30] Jason Mantzoukas: This is like, I feel like some.

[00:41:31] Paul Scheer: Not even a mouse.

[00:41:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Somehow lawnmower man’s gonna come out of this situation and come get him.

[00:41:37] Paul Scheer: Fuel, boost oil battery.

[00:41:41] June Diane Raphael: I have to say, I do think we saw a number of very serious cart crashes where.

[00:41:48] Paul Scheer: Very believable.

[00:41:49] June Diane Raphael: Very believable, very serious cart crashes. And I question the announcers and how they’re reporting on these crashes because they seem excited.

[00:42:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Not only that, but when the most brutal crashes happen, they put in the sound effect of the crowd roaring. Does that happen?

[00:42:10] Paul Scheer: Well, you know what? I know one thing that I thought was pretty great, which is this, uh, I guess Renny Harlan forgot to tell all the extras which way to look, because there was one scene in the biggest crash scene.

[00:42:25] This woman just kind of checking it out over here, maybe she’s turning away, she doesn’t want.

[00:42:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Doesn’t wanna, wanna look.

[00:42:32] June Diane Raphael: Doesn’t wanna see. I, by the way, I found it really irresponsible that given how many crashes we’ve seen and how many carts we’ve seen flying over, over other carts out of the, the, the raceway into ponds into sorts of places was don’t know, but all sorts of places.

[00:42:51] I was like, how dare you set up a children’s playground, not 10 feet from the racetrack.

[00:43:00] Paul Scheer: Those cars are, flipping, tires are flying out. But here’s the thing, when Kipp Perdue crashes, that’s a pretty gnarly crash. He’s like, I, I’m okay. Got it. See you later. I’m gonna go. Just like walks out of that.

[00:43:12] June Diane Raphael: The best part of this movie for me was the emotional climax of like seeing our hero, sorry, Sly, Kipp Purdue. Seeing him get prepared to get in that car for that last race. And seeing our hero jump on his foot 10 times.

[00:43:34] Jason Mantzoukas: 10 times. Like the riveting each jump riveting.

[00:43:39] Paul Scheer: Now in the original script it was 15 times.

[00:43:42] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s a cut too far, Paul.

[00:43:45] Paul Scheer: I am gonna go out into the audience. I’m gonna talk to people. If you are cart racer, you have to let me know. You have to let me know. Alright, I’m gonna go over to Jaffar, our friend from Boise.

[00:43:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.

[00:43:55] Paul Scheer: I think this.

[00:43:55] Jason Mantzoukas: J Jaffar. Great costume. Great work. Okay, okay. It’s the real Burt Reynolds.

[00:44:00] Audience Member: Have to put on my headset.

[00:44:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I love it.

[00:44:02] Audience Member: If you’re talking to.

[00:44:02] Paul Scheer: Great. So what do you got, Jaffar?

[00:44:04] Audience Member: Well, I have props, so, and I can also speak to a couple issues. So one, the simulator scene is literally just him playing the PS two game that came with this, which is absolute garbage because I bought it and I also bought the DVD and watched that hour deleted scenes with commentary from Sylvester Stallone. Sly at the beginning, uh, of the deleted scenes.

[00:44:28] He says, this is a movie about relationships and love and people, and for whatever reason, the studio did not want us to tell those stories. And then the entire hour of deleted scenes is just like exposition, dumps and fucking, so that’s where it is.

[00:44:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, so there’s fucking?

[00:44:44] June Diane Raphael: That’s where it is.

[00:44:44] Audience Member: Yeah. You want it?

[00:44:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that’s great. Yeah. Oh, that’s cool.

[00:44:47] Audience Member: And, and then, uh, yeah, that, that’s pretty much the most notable thing.

[00:44:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I love it.

[00:44:51] Paul Scheer: Jafar, your best performance today.

[00:44:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Great work. Great work.

[00:44:54] June Diane Raphael: Thanks so much.

[00:44:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Great work. Wow. Well, I’m glad to know that at least sex scenes were filmed because, yeah, I couldn’t wrap my head around there not being sex scenes.

[00:45:05] Paul Scheer: What, what a poor thing to do as like an actor. You’re like, I had to shoot that sex scene with Stallone and no one even got to see. Is it a positive or a negative? I don’t know. Um, our other costume character over here. Hi, how are you?

[00:45:16] June Diane Raphael: Wow, this is amazing.

[00:45:18] Paul Scheer: Yes. Yes. Alright, so what’s, uh, what’s your name?

[00:45:20] Audience Member: Um, my name is Brynn.

[00:45:21] Paul Scheer: Okay. Brynn, what’s your question?

[00:45:23] Audience Member: Um, it’s not a question. It’s more, I read through the production notes and apparently in that street racing scene it was all shot practically with Stallone driving. Here’s what he said about it. In that chase scene, I was rushing through a tunnel at 160 miles per hour, which is 260 kilometers per hour. And I was.

[00:45:43] Jason Mantzoukas: No, no, no.

[00:45:47] June Diane Raphael: Cut that part out.

[00:45:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Cut it out.

[00:45:49] June Diane Raphael: Cut out the podcast. Not gonna be the audio version.

[00:45:54] Jason Mantzoukas: This podcast is not, this podcast does not recognize the metric system. If anybody else converts a goddamn number, we’re outta here. We’re we’re done.

[00:46:07] Audience Member: Um, he continued. I wasn’t wearing a helmet. I realized my ears were touching the back of my head.

[00:46:13] The G-Force were unbelievable. And that’s not even talking about the freezing cold and my abil inability to see anything without a visor.

[00:46:21] Paul Scheer: I call bullshit on all of this.

[00:46:22] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t think that happened.

[00:46:23] Paul Scheer: I, I know that you found it, but I think it’s all bullshit.

[00:46:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, no, no. I, I agree about it.

[00:46:28] June Diane Raphael: I believe he said it.

[00:46:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I believe he said it.

[00:46:30] June Diane Raphael: I believe he said it.

[00:46:30] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe he said it. I don’t believe it for an instant, but I believe he said.

[00:46:34] Paul Scheer: Other people. So other people also back him up.

[00:46:36] Audience Member: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they were talking about how, uh, the stunt team, this was shot in Toronto and it was like very precisely choreographed.

[00:46:47] Jason Mantzoukas: A single boo for Toronto.

[00:46:50] Audience Member: I mean, yeah.

[00:46:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, now, no late to the party. When we were there, they had some shit to say about you. They said their trees are too big.

[00:47:05] Paul Scheer: By the way, can you just say what you just said to me? ’cause it’s worth it.

[00:47:07] Audience Member: Oh, I said I was in Toronto. They didn’t say anything about Vancouver.

[00:47:18] Paul Scheer: Alright. So he did definitely do it. I appreciate, this is great. All right. Amazing. Thank you so much. Lemme go back here. All right. Thank you for a sold out show here, Vancouver. Sold out crowd. Hi. How are you? What’s your name?

[00:47:29] Audience Member: I’m Sam, this is my wife, Kelsey.

[00:47:31] Paul Scheer: Hi.

[00:47:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Are we introducing spouses?

[00:47:33] Paul Scheer: I, I don’t know. He said it as if, did I ask?

[00:47:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Are we at your wedding?

[00:47:38] Paul Scheer: Tell me who you’re here with, what you’re wearing and.

[00:47:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, what’s going on?

[00:47:43] Paul Scheer: Your favorite food, and then your question.

[00:47:44] Audience Member: Oh, yes. Yeah. So my wife watched through the uh, uh, the deleted scenes and the commentary from Stallone, and he mentions that his character had this like deep backstory with scars and he had to wake up and drink and use pain pills to get going, and we got really into it.

[00:47:59] Do you think this movie would’ve been way better if it really did hit that five hour scene? Do you think it got to that Avengers Infinity War level, or was it really just. Like that lost tape is something we’re missing.

[00:48:11] Paul Scheer: But what you described doesn’t feel like it. It just would need to be slightly injected into this film. Right? Like it doesn’t.

[00:48:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, imagine if this film had portrayed Stallone the way the wrestler portrayed Mickey Rourke.

[00:48:22] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:48:23] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, wouldn’t that be wow. Wouldn’t that be an impactful, bringing someone that wrecked someone who is having to take pain pills? Someone who is like someone who is truly demolished. Uh, that would be incredible. But again, he’s 37 and thriving in this, in this movie, despite the fact that he is very visibly a 55-year-old man.

[00:48:44] Paul Scheer: Alright, you are wearing a cart. A 2001 cart shirt from Portland autographed, autographed by multiple cart racers.

[00:48:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.

[00:48:55] Paul Scheer: Please take a picture of this. Uh,

[00:48:57] Jason Mantzoukas: What’s the, what’s the origin of the shirt?

[00:48:58] Audience Member: Uh, I was a big cart fan. My family and I traveled around and, and watched.

[00:49:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Okay. Wait, timeout. Timeout.

[00:49:06] June Diane Raphael: Because I knew, I knew after this podcast was released.

[00:49:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Where have you been?

[00:49:09] June Diane Raphael: I know, I, I felt the message boards lighting a fire. And I knew you people were out there and you were gonna have things to say about us and to us. So, so.

[00:49:19] Jason Mantzoukas: What a missed opportunity you are the Morgan of Dungeons and Dragons.

[00:49:23] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.

[00:49:23] Jason Mantzoukas: For cart racing.

[00:49:25] June Diane Raphael: And by the way, how are you doing post extinction?

[00:49:28] Audience Member: Uh, we’re okay. We’re getting into IndyCar now. That’s okay.

[00:49:33] Paul Scheer: Can you for like the lay people, just like, because it looks to me if like F1. Okay.

[00:49:39] Audience Member: Well, it’s. It’s American.

[00:49:41] Paul Scheer: Okay.

[00:49:42] Audience Member: Uh, so they’re slower and they’re, they like.

[00:49:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Hang on, hang on.

[00:49:51] Audience Member: Um, they’re, they love to crash. They’re every.

[00:49:56] Paul Scheer: Oh, so crashing is a part of it. So when they are cheering, that’s a thing.

[00:50:00] Audience Member: That’s a, that’s a thing.

[00:50:02] Paul Scheer: Like a hockey fight.

[00:50:03] Audience Member: Exactly. Yeah.

[00:50:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is something you understand.

[00:50:09] June Diane Raphael: Wait, can I ask? Yeah. Uh, do people die?

[00:50:13] Audience Member: Uh, there have been deaths, but, uh.

[00:50:16] Paul Scheer: Name ’em.

[00:50:17] June Diane Raphael: Well just ’cause it seems like the way the drivers are getting ready and like picking up their photos and saying goodbye and, you know, doing all their things, it seems like they are prepared to die every race.

[00:50:30] Audience Member: Uh, and the safety things that got added, people kind of fought against those safety things.

[00:50:36] June Diane Raphael: Strange.

[00:50:36] Audience Member: Yeah.

[00:50:37] Paul Scheer: Wow.

[00:50:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Is this a, is this a sport that now, do you now follow one of the subsequent like F1 or.

[00:50:44] Audience Member: I follow F1 mostly, yeah.

[00:50:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.

[00:50:46] And do you, and has f what? Okay, so let me ask this. When this was popular? Yeah. Okay. Actually, was this.

[00:50:53] Paul Scheer: Did you see this?

[00:50:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Was this popular?

[00:50:54] Audience Member: Yeah, it was huge.

[00:50:55] Paul Scheer: Well, yeah, I mean, so but did you go see Driven?

[00:50:58] Audience Member: I saw Driven with my whole family, the, when it came out and we were stoked. ’cause all of our favorite drivers are in the movie.

[00:51:09] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s what I was wondering.

[00:51:10] June Diane Raphael: I wondered in that sequence where they’re dropping off their kids at the daycare center, which is just mere feet from the racetrack. Those are all real drivers.

[00:51:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, they want the kids to be able to watch them die.

[00:51:20] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, I understand that. I understand that.

[00:51:23] Audience Member: So, yeah. Uh, Paul Tracy. Canadian. He drops his kids off. We see Mario Andretti. Max Pappas who signed my shirt dies in the movie ’cause he crash crashes.

[00:51:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, is he, is he Greek, Max Pappas?

[00:51:36] Audience Member: Uh, sure.

[00:51:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Are there Greek car racers? I doubt it.

[00:51:40] Paul Scheer: Well, this is amazing, you.

[00:51:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, do you have any other insights because we’ve, you’ve now have the microphone. Anything we’ve misrepresented or any, any, or by the way, you can just be like, fuck no, I’m done talking.

[00:51:54] Audience Member: Uh, the crashes are not that big.

[00:51:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.

[00:51:56] Paul Scheer: Okay.

[00:51:57] Audience Member: It’s usually like a, a wheel falls off and someone spins.

[00:52:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Someone doesn’t, isn’t launched into a pond.

[00:52:05] Audience Member: No.

[00:52:05] Jason Mantzoukas: 1, 1 1 acre away.

[00:52:08] Paul Scheer: Am I, I don’t wanna put this on and I’m not saying this is what you’re saying. Is this Hillbilly F1?

[00:52:15] June Diane Raphael: Great question, Paul.

[00:52:17] Audience Member: I would say it’s NASCAR and F1 had a baby.

[00:52:22] Paul Scheer: Got it.

[00:52:22] Audience Member: It would be cart.

[00:52:23] Paul Scheer: Okay.

[00:52:24] Jason Mantzoukas: So, so then the answer is yes, hillbilly F1.

[00:52:29] June Diane Raphael: Wow. Thank you so much for that.

[00:52:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[00:52:31] June Diane Raphael: Thank you.

[00:52:32] Jason Mantzoukas: In fact, give it up. Give it up for a Cart hero.

[00:52:38] Thank you.

[00:52:40] Paul Scheer: Every Canadian hits it out of the park with their questions. All right, you, hi. What’s her name?

[00:52:47] Audience Member: My name’s Colin.

[00:52:48] Paul Scheer: Colin. What’s your question?

[00:52:49] Audience Member: Really quick, is there a possibility that Sylvester Stallone had a bit of a fetish with watching his lady be with another guy? ‘Cause it feels like that’s what this movie is really about.

[00:53:03] Jason Mantzoukas: I wrote this note. Seems to be a sport that is predicated a lot on everybody cucking each other.

[00:53:13] Paul Scheer: We all get in different race cars. Why can’t we get into different women?

[00:53:16] June Diane Raphael: You’ve always said that, babe. You’ve always said, said that.

[00:53:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Again, again.

[00:53:19] Paul Scheer: Always said that.

[00:53:20] Jason Mantzoukas: You said that as you said, that’s gonna be the t-shirt, I promise. And I don’t think anybody wants it.

[00:53:25] Paul Scheer: I think everybody wants it. Everybody wants it. Everyone’s gonna wear it. Thank you. Now, um, here’s what I will say, uh, what happened when Memo goes back to his. Memos, like, Hey buddy, you’re the best. You’re the best. You’re the best. And he goes back in the trailer and stares at himself from the glass table.

[00:53:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:53:42] Paul Scheer: I thought he was gonna do coke, but I didn’t.

[00:53:44] June Diane Raphael: I did too.

[00:53:45] Paul Scheer: I was like, and then we don’t.

[00:53:46] Jason Mantzoukas: What do you think the symbolism of that is?

[00:53:49] Paul Scheer: This is a great question. I am known for my detailed analysis of symbolism. The, the glass table is a mirror. It’s a reflection of himself. And he hates it.

[00:54:02] June Diane Raphael: It was like, it was a weird moment because ah, it’s not what I wanted from Memo.

[00:54:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Ugh.

[00:54:08] June Diane Raphael: You know?

[00:54:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, he’s putting on such a brave face for everybody because he’s been demoted, you know, he’s not gonna race because Sly’s back and he’s giving everybody the, it’s fine. You’re my brother. I’m so happy you’re back. I love everybody. Yeah. I’m Memo, blah, blah, blah. Then he goes into the thing and it’s like, boy.

[00:54:26] June Diane Raphael: I guess that’s true.

[00:54:27] Jason Mantzoukas: And he is the dark, the dark twin. And also we see the dark twin in the mirror.

[00:54:31] June Diane Raphael: And also we do, and then also we see that dark twin come out in race.

[00:54:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:54:35] June Diane Raphael: Also, where he can’t, he can’t be a supporting actor, you know?

[00:54:38] Jason Mantzoukas: No.

[00:54:38] June Diane Raphael: He tries to be number one. And I was confounded in the hospital scene when Memo is there with Jimmy. Memo says to Jimmy, I made a mistake. I’m a guy who made a mistake. And Jimmy says, no, you didn’t. You didn’t make a mistake. Yeah, he did.

[00:54:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yes, I agree.

[00:54:56] June Diane Raphael: You did.

[00:54:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Agree. Agree.

[00:54:58] Paul Scheer: I’m in the balcony.

[00:55:00] June Diane Raphael: Be careful, Paul

[00:55:04] Paul Scheer: Balcony monsters. Welcome. How are you? Good to see you. Hey, how are you?

[00:55:11] Audience Member: I’m good, thank you.

[00:55:12] Paul Scheer: Okay. What’s your question?

[00:55:14] Audience Member: Uh, as a Toronto native, I just wanted to say.

[00:55:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Boooo. Boooo..

[00:55:22] Audience Member: I, my question is.

[00:55:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Give your balls a tug. Alright. I tried it. Okay.

[00:55:30] Audience Member: Uh, my question is, do we think that Bert Reynolds signed on if he could only sit the entire.

[00:55:38] Paul Scheer: I thought the same thing. I was like, they, they realized early on, you know what? They can’t do a walk and talk through all this crowd of people is like, put me in a chair. Yeah.

[00:55:47] Jason Mantzoukas: I was, I was actually shocked that he.

[00:55:49] Paul Scheer: Oh wait. Hold on. We got a good joke over here.

[00:55:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Go ahead.

[00:55:51] Paul Scheer: No, no. I think it is, I, I, it sounded like I was being sarcastic.

[00:55:54] Hold on. We got a good jerk. Jerk. Yeah. Not jerk. Wait. We have a good.

[00:55:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Paul, are you safe? Say the safe word for me.

[00:56:01] Paul Scheer: I am safe. And now I’ve put too much spin on it, but it’s good. We have a good joke over here. Go for it.

[00:56:09] Audience Member: I called him Inert reynolds.

[00:56:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait.

[00:56:12] Paul Scheer: I’m sorry. I messed it up.

[00:56:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what’s happening?

[00:56:16] June Diane Raphael: He called him Inert Reynolds and it was great. It just got destroyed by all.

[00:56:21] Paul Scheer: Good joke too. It was too delayed. It was too delayed on my part.

[00:56:27] June Diane Raphael: I would’ve been so happy if all of our leads were in wheelchairs at the end. Oh, to me, that as a final shot, I would’ve been thrilled.

[00:56:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. If, yeah. Yeah.

[00:56:36] Paul Scheer: Guys, it’s getting crazy up here. I’ve seen three cans of canned Gatorade.

[00:56:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, of canned Gatorade? Everybody what? Gotta get their electrolytes.

[00:56:47] Paul Scheer: Did you raise your hand? Okay, great. What’s your name?

[00:56:49] Audience Member: I’m Avery. How you doing?

[00:56:50] Paul Scheer: Good. What’s your, what’s your question?

[00:56:52] Audience Member: Okay. First off, Jason, you say Canadians are nice. Yeah. That’s what you think. We’re nice until we’re not.

[00:56:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Such a nice way to put that.

[00:57:02] Audience Member: And also, uh, in the bar scene when Estella Warren enters, she’s wearing this really nice white jacket. Then later when she walks up to the bar, she’s wearing something completely different. Now, do we think that’s just a continuity flaw or do we think she deliberately changed clothes in the bathroom just so she could come up and talk to Jimmy Bly?

[00:57:20] June Diane Raphael: See, I wonder if there were sex scenes in between that we didn’t get to see.

[00:57:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Now I think that I agree. I think that just means there are cut scenes for you and for the woman over there who clearly that was the most important part of the movie for her. I never has, never has this woman felt more seen in her life.

[00:57:40] Then what this dildo said up there, these two people connected, get rid of this turd.

[00:57:48] Paul Scheer: I’ve never spent this much time in the back row, but I’m gonna give it another shot. Here we go. What do you got?

[00:57:52] Audience Member: This one is for June. I specifically want your opinion on why when Bo is dying to get his girl back, instead of making a grand romantic gesture, why do you think he just chose a very public event and they just make small chitchat and he just pulls out a ring and is like, Hey, I wanna get back together?

[00:58:13] June Diane Raphael: God.

[00:58:14] Paul Scheer: Well June you, you can speak to this, ’cause that’s what happened with us. Right?

[00:58:17] June Diane Raphael: I know. It’s so hard ’cause I related so hard. I related so hard. I mean it’s, it’s so that’s why I asked earlier, what does Sophia Simone want?

[00:58:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:58:28] June Diane Raphael: Because she does, she does go back with him pretty quick and I don’t know why. He’s German?

[00:58:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Oh boy.

[00:58:38] June Diane Raphael: I, I don’t understand it at all.

[00:58:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I did feel like that scene, uh, all of the scenes, especially that were about that stuff, were just illustrating. And again, I guess this is coming from Stallone, how profoundly these men do not understand their own emotions. They only understand the car, the race, the whatever.

[00:59:01] They even Bo is like he says to Stallone, I, I pushed her away. I don’t know why. I don’t. They, these men are emotionally at zero. Their emotional intelligence is at a zero, and at the end of the movie, they’re at like a two.

[00:59:17] June Diane Raphael: Barely, Jason.

[00:59:18] Jason Mantzoukas: And we’re like, what the heroes. To for forego winning to save a human life, we act like, isn’t that incredible what they did?

[00:59:30] No.

[00:59:30] June Diane Raphael: The bar is so low.

[00:59:31] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s the human thing to do.

[00:59:33] June Diane Raphael: But the bar is so low. I was like, wow. They’re great. Great guys.

[00:59:36] Paul Scheer: I wanna tell you. I was like, why? Why are they doing that? There’s people out there that are paid to do that.

[00:59:41] June Diane Raphael: Well, Paul, what I did raise the question of like where the rescue teams were. Yeah. And why plans weren’t taking place.

[00:59:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, they say in the thing that they, it’s a difficult area to get to because it’s a swamp. That is one kilometer away from the track.

[00:59:59] Paul Scheer: Actually, where they built alligator Alcatraz.

[01:00:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Careful. I’ll send you there right now. You don’t think, I can’t send you there right now.

[01:00:08] June Diane Raphael: One thing we didn’t talk about is the fact that as they’re on their tour, their their cart tour, they, every country they go to, there’s a giant flag.

[01:00:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Boobs. Oh, sorry.

[01:00:19] June Diane Raphael: No. There’s a giant flag of the country right. By whatever the first scene is.

[01:00:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.

[01:00:28] Paul Scheer: Like this by the pool.

[01:00:29] June Diane Raphael: In the pool.

[01:00:30] Jason Mantzoukas: And it’s, it doesn’t, it doesn’t need to be at the track.

[01:00:32] June Diane Raphael: Why?

[01:00:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Where you might think it would be. No, no.

[01:00:35] June Diane Raphael: No.

[01:00:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Even though there’s been a chiron on screen that says where exactly they are, we need flags.

[01:00:40] June Diane Raphael: Sense of scope, we need a sense of traveling.

[01:00:42] Jason Mantzoukas: They understand that the people watching this movie are absolute morons.

[01:00:47] Paul Scheer: I do wanna show this one thing that I think is so, uh, great here, hold on. Uh, well.

[01:00:53] Jason Mantzoukas: While you look for it, do you, I can read a few things. Um, this is, I wrote, I, I, ever since I have started dictating my notes while I watch the movie into my phone, my note taking has changed in, in the way, in these ways. Here’s one, I’m sobbing in my room at these men trying to save Memo under the water.

[01:01:13] Even as I dictate this, my voice is quivering. And then somehow after all that 35 minutes left, question mark, exclamation point. Then I wrote sobbing again at in quotes don’t see you. See me? Memo. Memo got me with that one. Don’t see you see me.

[01:01:39] June Diane Raphael: Me.

[01:01:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Don’t see that this could happen to you. Just see that. Wow. Memo fucking got me, man.

[01:01:45] That’s when I was like, put Memo in Fast and furious. Are you crying?

[01:01:48] June Diane Raphael: No, i, I’m okay.

[01:01:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Dude. Are you crying?

[01:01:50] June Diane Raphael: I’m okay, but I do wonder like, are we okay? I also cried during this movie. Are we okay?

[01:01:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Don’t see you. See me.

[01:01:55] June Diane Raphael: Is this a cry for help?

[01:01:57] Jason Mantzoukas: I was sobbing in a hotel room in Vancouver, Canada, which is a sentence I hope to never say again.

[01:02:05] Paul Scheer: All right. You know, we obviously had a lot to say about this movie, but now it is time. For a second opinion.

[01:02:16] Audience Member: Hey, I’m, uh, I’m Bobby. Now it is time for second opinions. S gonna share some trauma with my homie, tall John and hear the crowd. Ooh, for June and Jason,, God, they give it five stars. ’cause the movie was hyped.

[01:02:32] But if you’re gonna ask a question, Paul holds the mic. We got Stallone grinning. The camera spinning. Took 55 minutes just to reach the beginning. And the movie is Driven, but the plot is going nowhere. Camera’s so zoomed in. I can count nose hairs. Gina Gershon rocking the denim hat. You can give it one shot, but you’ll never top that.

[01:02:50] That’s why I love Bernie Harland. So the mission enlarge. Get on Amazon and give the movie Five stars.

[01:02:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa! Whoa!

[01:02:59] Paul Scheer: Yeah!

[01:03:01] Audience Member: Hey everybody. When I say Avaryll, y’all say Halley. Avaryll, Halley. Avaryll, Halley. When I say win this y’all say, battle. Win this, Battle. Win this, Battle win this. We love you, Avaryll.

[01:03:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[01:03:17] Paul Scheer: Thank you so much. That’s amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[01:03:20] June Diane Raphael: Thank you so much.

[01:03:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Great work.

[01:03:21] June Diane Raphael: Thank you so much.

[01:03:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Great work.

[01:03:23] Paul Scheer: 3,293 total reviews. 79% of them are five star. These are culled from Amazon. Christy Churchill writes, in 2008,

[01:03:37] “I have watched my VHS copy of Driven raw.”

[01:03:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Hang on, hang on.

[01:03:44] June Diane Raphael: What does that mean?

[01:03:45] Jason Mantzoukas: I’ll be honest. I watched it much the same way. But that’s how I watch most of our movies without protection.

[01:03:55] Paul Scheer: “That’s why I’m getting it on DVD now. I was reading some reviews from the people who gave this film one star. Well, they’re saying, oh, well this can’t happen, and that’s not real. Well, all I have to say is Superman isn’t real. Spider-Man isn’t real. And I bet you watch those movies. My point is, it’s a movie. It’s made to entertain you. If you want real watch a real thing.”

[01:04:23] Jason Mantzoukas: What?

[01:04:24] Paul Scheer: ” Not a movie. Yeah, the storyline might be like Days of Thunder, but hey, in this movie you get Stallone. What could be better than that? Five Stars.”

[01:04:36] Title. Action!

[01:04:41] John in 2015 writes,

[01:04:43] “I love this movie. The sound is phenomenal. If you have a pair of 5.1 or above headphones, you need to own this movie. If you have a 7.1 or higher setup, you need to own this movie.”

[01:05:01] Jason Mantzoukas: If you have your center speaker hooked up to 76 DBS or above this movie’s second act will be incredible.

[01:05:10] Paul Scheer: Helen McGill in 2014 writes

[01:05:14] “Is a good movie if you like, fast cars and drinking.”

[01:05:21] June Diane Raphael: Is there Drinking in the movie?

[01:05:23] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t think there’s, I would, I would argue there’s almost no drinking in the entire movie.

[01:05:26] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I would. Yep. Five stars. Driven.

[01:05:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you think that’s because the person watching the movie was drinking?

[01:05:33] Paul Scheer: I mean, I don’t know.

[01:05:34] June Diane Raphael: I think so. I think she’s like, if you’re drunk, you’re gonna love this.

[01:05:37] Jason Mantzoukas: If you like fast cars and drinking, that’s the only way to get through this piece of shit.

[01:05:44] Paul Scheer: Wow. Any final thoughts on the film, Driven?

[01:05:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:05:49] June Diane Raphael: I mean, still so many basic questions. Like when the first sequence happened with Stallone and Jimmy and he, I don’t know what he did. He pulled out in front of him and slowed down or something.

[01:06:03] Paul Scheer: That happened in F1 too.

[01:06:04] June Diane Raphael: It was the same scene from F1, but he was so mad. That he had done that and was like, I’m never gonna do that again. But what did he do? Really?

[01:06:12] Paul Scheer: He, he, he slowed down the race so the other guy would win. He basically.

[01:06:15] June Diane Raphael: But isn’t that what he is supposed to do as a supporting actor?

[01:06:18] Paul Scheer: He’s not a blocker, June.

[01:06:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.

[01:06:20] Paul Scheer: Not a goddamn blocker. What do you think? He’s a supporting actor? Thinking about character.

[01:06:27] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s only 37.

[01:06:28] June Diane Raphael: Guess my question is, I don’t know as that second racer, but what is he supposed to be doing?

[01:06:34] Jason Mantzoukas: He is, no, you’re right. Burt Reynolds is asking him to be, to not try and win, but to, and he’s asking him to do a shady thing, which is he’s asking him to pit when he doesn’t need to pit so that he can exit in front of Bo.

[01:06:47] June Diane Raphael: I call that strategy.

[01:06:49] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree. But it seems like there is a, a code amongst drivers.

[01:06:54] June Diane Raphael: The brotherhood of speed.

[01:06:55] Jason Mantzoukas: The brotherhood of speed says you can fuck my wife. But you can’t, but you cannot cut me off from the pit, bro.

[01:07:02] June Diane Raphael: Okay.

[01:07:03] Paul Scheer: Amen.

[01:07:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I will watch you fuck my wife, but you better not come outta the pit at me, bro.

[01:07:11] Paul Scheer: Because if you fuck my wife, that’s fair. But if you do that, it’s unfair.

[01:07:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, I’m just looking at the number of pedestrians that must have died during this, uh, justice for a Memo, the rain race. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say they shouldn’t have races in the rain. Every single driver was like, I cannot see.

[01:07:30] June Diane Raphael: But that’s like a big.

[01:07:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Call it.

[01:07:31] June Diane Raphael: But that’s a, that is something that happens in at the F1 movie too, is that there were driving in slippery conditions.

[01:07:37] Paul Scheer: Sometimes the rain happens.

[01:07:38] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what was shocking to, okay, go ahead. Sorry.

[01:07:40] Paul Scheer: I was gonna say the one moment I just wanna spend just a second on is a reporter at one point says to one of the guys, I don’t know, he says, what would you do if you win? And then he goes, I’d throw a party.

[01:07:51] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.

[01:07:51] Paul Scheer: Like the reporter volunteers.

[01:07:54] June Diane Raphael: That was the best moment.

[01:07:55] He said that was, I wanna sequel just about that reporter. That was. Really made me laugh.

[01:08:03] Paul Scheer: I’d throw a party. Throw. Thanks. I throw a party.

[01:08:07] June Diane Raphael: Sir?

[01:08:08] Jason Mantzoukas: What’s incredible is that we have a full three dimensional understanding of the team from Bert Reynolds to Jimmy to Joe Tonto to Memo to the whole thing. We don’t know anybody else’s team at all.

[01:08:23] We know Bo as an individual. Yeah, we don’t know his coaches at all. There are no bad guys in the movie, period.

[01:08:30] June Diane Raphael: Well, Robert, Sean Leonard.

[01:08:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Yes. Uh, a craven, uh, uh, agent slash brother.

[01:08:39] June Diane Raphael: I loved when he said like, how dare you? I, I deserved more than that as a manager. I was like, no, you don’t, buddy.

[01:08:45] Paul Scheer: Wait a second, wait a second. I’m just realizing something that I put together. In that scene in the trailer. He goes, when I watched you and that go-kart lap those kids, he goes, you are a 13-year-old. I was like, oh, I thought it was like a Chuck E Cheese or something like that. I did, no, this is like in one of these cars.

[01:09:01] Jason Mantzoukas: They were like doing racing like this. Yeah.

[01:09:02] June Diane Raphael: By the way, I laughed so hard at how small Stallone’s Trophy was. I, I laughed, laughed.

[01:09:10] Jason Mantzoukas: And that he brought it to the gala to give to Jimmy. And that, then later Jimmy had it with him.

[01:09:17] June Diane Raphael: And he’s holding it.

[01:09:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Like a talisman.

[01:09:19] June Diane Raphael: It’s the tiniest little thing you ever did see.

[01:09:21] Jason Mantzoukas: It makes no sense.

[01:09:23] Paul Scheer: Maybe Stallone likes little things, so he feels bigger.

[01:09:26] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way. I bet you’re right.

[01:09:28] Paul Scheer: Stallone, this is a life-size trophy for normal people. Whoa. I’m pretty big. I’m a pretty big guy. If this is a, this for a big, if normal people is big, I’m a big guy.

[01:09:37] Jason Mantzoukas: You know? You know what was crazy to me in the Memo, death scene, Memo goes Memo’s, car goes like vertical at one point.

[01:09:46] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[01:09:46] Jason Mantzoukas: You then get Memo’s point of view. You are given both Memos, eyes and then you see Memos point of view. I was like, whoa, we’re about to die in the movie. We’re about to be, this is the only time we’ve gotten Memos point of view. We’re about to watch the life get snuffed from him. And I was fucking turned on.

[01:10:13] No, that was a crazy moment. I was like, what is Renny Har, by the way, without Renny Harlan, this movie is unbearable.

[01:10:21] June Diane Raphael: Unbearable.

[01:10:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Dog shit. The fact that it’s even coherent at all is

[01:10:25] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[01:10:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Due to him entirely. He is an absolute legend for How Did This Get Made.

[01:10:31] Paul Scheer: Yeah, we love Renny Harlan and he says, I don’t like this movie. So, um. Would you recommend it?

[01:10:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[01:10:38] June Diane Raphael: Absolutely.

[01:10:39] Paul Scheer: Yeah, sure. Me too. That’s three across the board.

[01:10:42] June Diane Raphael: Absolutely.

[01:10:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, I mean, Jesus, this is so fun. You know, this is a blast in a way that I was.

[01:10:48] June Diane Raphael: Again, it flew by when there were 40 minutes left. I was like, I was also like, how? How is that possible?

[01:10:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I I watching part of it on the plane, on my phone. Right, right. And I stopped because I was like, I gotta wait until I’m at the hotel to watch, watch this on the big screen, which has never happened. And boy was I glad I did.

[01:11:08] Paul Scheer: Vancouver, you have been amazing. This has been a fantastic show. This has been, How Did This Get Made. We love it. Jason Mantzoukas. June Diane Raphael.. I’m Paul Scheer. I’ll be out in the lobby signing books. Just gimme like four or five minutes. All thank you, everybody!

[01:11:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Eat shit, Vancouver!

[01:11:30] Paul Scheer: Thank you Vancouver. What a show. Thank you, Vogue Theater. Canada, we loved being back inside of you. That sounds dirtier when I say it out loud. Uh, you can get our very special brand new T-shirt that says Rosetta Stallone. It is one of my favorite designs that we have done. I know I’ve been saying that a lot recently, but, they’re all honest. I love this one though. Head over to HDTGM.com. You can click on our merchandise link there. You can also get yourself a How Did This Get Made hat. I also wanna shout out, uh, Bobby, one of our second opinion singer, uh, from this episode with that beautiful song about Avaryl Halley. Uh, that was absolutely wonderful.

[01:12:11] Thank you for that. Uh, Avaryl is still in the fight with cancer and you know, from the last reports seemingly really making some strides, but she still needs some love. And if you want to show her some of that love, you can send her a message at Andrew@MovieBitches.xyz, or you can mail her something at Avaryl Halley PO Box 6 4 1, Agora Hills, California 9 1 3 7 6. Nothing perishable, nothing scented. As always, if you have a correction or omission about this Stallone Summer Madness, if you want to get in there and talk about Driven. Then you can leave me a voicemail at 6 1 9 P-A-U-L-A-S-K or write a comment on our discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM. People. Tonight. Right now, this is the weekend of June Diane Raphael. That’s right. She is in Weapons and Freakier Friday. Two great films. I am loving Weapons. Weapons is like Paul Thomas Anderson, uh, meets John Carpenter, truly, uh, worth seeing in the theater. And remember, if you love this show, then you are definitely following us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

[01:13:24] Uh, it does help. So please do it. Check right now. And last but not least, I gotta thank our entire team to who the show would not be done. Uh, I’m talking about our producer, Scott Sonne, Molly Reynolds, and our movie picking producer, Avaryl Halley, and our engineer Casey Holford. That’s all I got. We’ll see you next week on Last Looks.

[01:13:40] Bye for now.