EP. 325.5 — Last Looks: Hangman

Paul Scheer [00:00:00] Turn on the radio. Pull out yourself a crocheted pocket dog and ask yourself, even if they solved the riddle, would it have stopped the killings in the movie, Hangman. Answers and questions and debate about all this and more on today’s How Did This Get Made last looks. Hit the theme.

Music [00:00:18] [Last Looks Theme]

Paul Scheer [00:00:58] Hello all you Foghorn Leghorn sounding police detectives. I’m your eviction man, Paul Scheer. And welcome to How Did This Get Made last looks where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on Hangman and Jason and I recap the amazing How Did This Get Made East Coast tour that we just came back from. We’ll tell you our favorite moments that you may not know because a lot of them happened behind the scenes. And as always, I will reveal next week’s movie. But first things first, a big shout out to Homonym for that theme song. We love these songs. And if you have a last Look song, send it to us at HowDidThisGetMade@Earwolf.com. Keep them short. 15 to 20 seconds is best. Now let’s get into it. Last week we talked at length about Hangman, a movie that Discord user Quantum Volt and Sons thinks should have had the tagline “I’d like to buy a bowel.” I mean, were they disemboweled? I don’t know. Anyway, I like it. It was good. Or were you saying that the movie’s a turd? I can’t quite figure it out. But either way, I like the bowel. Anyway, we had questions about Hangman, and we might have even missed a few things. So here’s your chance to set us straight. Fact check us, if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions.

Music [00:02:11] [Corrections and Omissions Song]

Paul Scheer [00:02:43] Thank you, Andrew Winston, for that theme song. Let’s go to the Discord. Joe Tangello, oh, I haven’t seen Joe in a while. “So weird that this film is based around the game Hangman, but they don’t use the rules of Hangman in the plot. The main objective in the game of Hangman is to solve the puzzle before the person dies. There should have been someone that the killer was threatening to kill unless the detectives could solve the puzzle.” That’s a brilliant idea, Joe. I know it was discussed. They put no effort into trying to solve the puzzle, but it made no difference if they solved it, because it wouldn’t have given them any solid clues of who the killer was. And on the topic of Hangman game rules, another Discord user DT chimes in to say, “If you really wanted to play by Hangman rules, wouldn’t Pacino have to guess a letter? And if he was wrong, someone gets killed with that letter on their body. I mean, it seems like the movie is playing Hangman by Scrabble rules.” Wow. You guys broke open a plot that we already knew was broken and made it way smarter in the way it was broken than our just frustration. They weren’t even trying to solve it. I love this. GT75 writes “Al Pacino surmises that the killer is killing every night to celebrate the 20th anniversary of his father’s death. How could he land on that conclusion if they knew that the first killing took place a year or more earlier? Was the killer originally planning on celebrating the 19th anniversary?” Oh, my God, yes. This movie is stupid. Dr. Guts writes “During the autopsy of the first victim, Karl Urban says that her parents filed a missing persons report. However, we later learned that she was murdered in her bedroom. This would mean that either the killer abducted her long enough for her to be considered missing, only then to bring her back to her own house to kill her or the victim’s parents never even bothered going to her house to look for her before following the report.” Wow. This movie, you have done it. You have broken my brain now. So many questions. No good answers. Let’s go to the phones. Erin from Seattle. What do you got?

Listener [00:04:48] Hey, Paul, this is Erin in Seattle, and I think I have a correction. But this movie was so confusing that I’m not sure, but timeline wise, in the cold open. What I think happened was the skull van driver had just left killing Al Pacino’s partner’s wife, and he got interrupted. So he was in a big hurry and he hurried away and he sideswiped Al Pacino’s car on accident. But that’s when he got arrested which is why no more murders happened. Theoretically, he would have just continued the murders right then. Or he could have sideswiped Al Pacino on purpose. But I think that was the night the wife was killed. I could be wrong. I’m probably wrong, but it doesn’t make sense otherwise. So thanks for everything you guys do. Say hi to Jason and June, Bye.

Paul Scheer [00:05:44] Okay. I’m going to believe you. It makes sense. I mean, okay, So, yes, that would be from a year earlier. So is that why they’re connected and why didn’t they ever bring that up? But they did arrest him after that. Huh? There is something wrong there. There is something wrong there. But I don’t think there’s a valid enough answer because Urban came home at night and he just had left. So I think you are wrong. But I also don’t know what is right. Marcus in Baltimore, what do you got?

Listener [00:06:17] Okay. A theory on hand, man. I’m wondering, I noticed that the production company or studio was called Patriot Productions. When we look at this story as it was probably written on the page, I think we get a story of cops who are in over the head with a serial killer and a reporter who helps them solve that case. And part of that case hinges on the fact that Al Pacino, when he was a cop, he was callous versus caring towards this kid. He maybe didn’t do the things he was supposed to be doing. And I’m wondering if that’s the story as it was written. But Patriot Production Studio, whatever got a hold of this and decided that they did want to make that maybe Copaganda is too strong of a word, but something along those lines. And that’s why we have this terrible dissidence and confusion about the beginning of the movie, Al Pacino is waiting outside of that donut shop. I think he’s just waiting for it to open to get donuts. But the movie tonally gives us the vibe that he’s still doing police work. The reporter tells us kind of concally that she’s doing a story, not a profile on that specific officer, but she, in our current cultural climate or something along those lines, wants to give the cops side of the story. And then in the third act, just like is equally as clunky, someone says something about how we really don’t understand the things that cops have to go through. So I’m wondering if this was one story written that the good people at Patriots, whatever, then decided to cram into something different, which gave that dizzying and kind of totally dissident movie that we ended up watching. Love the show. Can’t wait to see it in Philly.

Paul Scheer [00:08:01] Okay. Well, Marcus, we saw you in Philly. And thank you for this astute reading of the film. You know, a lot of people actually have wrote in about this copaganda theme, and I think that you handled it well. I don’t think it’s like a cop agenda, but I would say that it definitely has that angle to it or that P.O.V.. But it’s funny because in doing that, they also are showing how incompetent the police are throughout the entire film. It’s like no cops, you know, they put their life on the line, they’re out there, they’re working their ass off to save you. But these cops are dumb as nails. So I think you’re right with your original idea. And I also think it just felt like noting or something had diluted. Well, I mean, really, every part of this movie, honestly, it’s a bummer. So close could be so good. I want to see this movie that everyone else is talking about. All right. Our final call is from Pat from Delco. What do we got?

Listener [00:09:03] I’m halfway through listening to the Hangman episode and it dawned on me that the plot of this movie is essentially the same plot of Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, because in that movie, Khan is pissed off and goes on a huge killing spree because Kirk exiled him and all of these people to Ceti Alpha five and says right in the movie he never came back to check on our progress, which is the same thing as this movie. Because the killer in this movie is pissed off at Pacino because he evicted him out of his home, which is essentially the same thing as the exile. So it’s a complete rip off. This movie is essentially Star Trek 2, except Pacino is Kirk. Anyway, we’re going to go see you guys tomorrow at the Miller Theater in Philly. We’re really excited. Can’t wait. Thanks, Paul. Bye bye.

Paul Scheer [00:09:55] Pat, another Philly fan? Oh, my gosh. Philly was a great night. How dare you? How dare you compare this to Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan? Here’s where I think you’re right. Yes, there are similarities. But here’s where you’re wrong. You know all this stuff before, which makes the movie way more interesting. You know that Khan was left there by Kirk, You know that his son is there. You know all these things. This movie just drops it on you in the last 5 minutes. So, yes, you’re right. But you’re also wrong. You can’t, I mean, thematically, Yes. It’s just. Well, I guess maybe how you tell a story. All right. Back to the discord EchoCharlie writes, “This movie is about people being hanged, but at no point does anyone think, hey, maybe one of us should have a knife in order to cut a rope. Several times they just have to pull out a gun and shoot the victim free from the rope when having a pocket knife would have been so much easier. Brittany Snow is going to also have terrible tinnitus for the rest of her life.” Well, I mean, yes, that train was very loud. Yeah. Shooting a rope was one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen as well. Getting a bullet right through that. I mean, was it a rope? Was it steel? I think it might have been steel. I mean, that’s a lot of weight. Catfish writes “My biggest question is about the final confrontation with the killer in the mausoleum. When the cops split up to surround him, Pacino walks about 20 feet and starts talking to the killer, but his partner disappears for, like, 8 minutes. Where’d he go? Did he go grab a drink to steal his nerves? I mean, I thought, Okay, well, we’ll find out that Karl Urban is definitely in on it. Nope. Just turned out he turned right instead of left or something. The killer was just strutting all over the place. It would have been so easy to take him out. But no. Karl Urban.” Catfish. Again, this movie, the more we poke holes in it or just look at it and ask any sort of question, it falls apart and Anna says, “Why was Pacino allowed on the case even though he’s retired?” I mean, I’m not going to poke a hole in that. Yes, I agree that it makes no sense. But I also feel like that’s a conceit or trope of cop movies a lot of the times. So I’m not going to poke holes in that. So many great corrections and omissions. I mean, truly, everybody here really brought the heat. But I have to say, the winner this week is Joe Tangello who really asked the most important question. Even if they were trying to solve the puzzle, it wouldn’t make a difference. And that’s why, Joe, you have the best correction, an omission, and that’s why you will get this amazing theme from Brendan Abella.

Music [00:12:39] [Winner’s Song]

Paul Scheer [00:12:41] Would have been so great to get a prize, but you’ve got a song. And Brendan, that song was worth it. It is a prize. All right. If you want to submit an alt movie tag line or chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit us up on Discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM or call us at 619-PAUL-ASK. All right. Coming up, Jason and I are going to talk about the tour, what we listened to, what it was like to go out there and meet all of you balcony monsters. I mean, I had the best time on this tour. I think it might have been my favorite tour that we’ve ever done. So stick around as Jason and I just kind of catch up two days past the tour.

Paul Scheer [00:13:20] Welcome back. You know that every Monday we release older episodes into the feed. We just rereleased The Snowman, which is a spiritual sequel to The Hangman with a lead character named Harry Hole. And next week, it will be a Space Jam. That’s right, Space Jam. Live from Chicago. That was a night. Keep on checking us out every Monday as we pull out some old things from the vault. You might have noticed that Stitcher premium is no longer active, and we are trying to figure out a solution for that. But we don’t have one yet. So right now, this is the only way to hear the back catalog until we figure that out. Okay, so now it’s time for a little just chat with me and Jason as we just kind of, I don’t know, talk about what it was like to be on the road. John Astonish. Play us in.

Music [00:14:07] [Just Chat Theme]

Paul Scheer [00:14:16] Jason. Back from the tour, that was so much fun.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:20] Wow. I mean, we really went for it. I don’t know how you feel, but I feel like I had a wonderful week, but I feel like a bus hit me and I’m exhausted.

Paul Scheer [00:14:33] I can only imagine. I got home. I was home at 11 a.m. L.A. time, the day after our final show in D.C. And people are like, Aren’t you excited? You’re back home. And I’m like, No, because my kids were back in.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:49] I can’t even imagine. Yeah, I was I was so impressed that not only did you in June just crush every night, six nights, six shows, six cities, the whole thing. But you guys were doing full on family activities all day, every day as well.

Paul Scheer [00:15:05] We were on Codzilla, the boat in Boston that goes out with a very loose theme about Godzilla Fish and basically is just an excuse for the boat to do donuts. And it was awesome. And you also were all doing this travel like travel just takes you. So we’re on planes, trains and automobiles. We’re moving around. But I got to say, it was worth it because every single night. Yes, every single night, these audiences brought it. I mean.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:37] People showed up. It was great. And I don’t know if this is just our audience who are incredible or if it’s especially an audience who has not gotten the opportunity to see us in four years, which is the case for most of these cities. Yes, we haven’t been there since the tour of whatever 2019 it was, I think. Yeah, right?

Paul Scheer [00:15:57] Was maybe actually maybe 2018 or. Yeah. One of those.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:00] So some yeah, some of them got done but regardless a long time and people were incredible. They showed up in costumes, they gave us gifts They were is it was a very.

Paul Scheer [00:16:12] The crocheted pocket dog was absolutely amazing. I also have a crocheted seagull. A lot of great talent that we have.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:19] Friendship bracelets ala the Taylor Swift tour people were making and trading. How Did This Get Made themed friendship bracelets, which was incredibly sweet and and wholesome and heartwarming.

Paul Scheer [00:16:31] I have to say, I want to apologize to one person who I doubted on this tour, and that is Queasy 35 from the Discord. Queasy 35 showed up with four friends or three friends, all dressed with giant French fries attached to their shirt. Guys. The fry guys. Now, when I went up to that balcony, I saw those guys and I was like, Look at this. Great costumes. We are ready to go. And then the first person I talked to in that grouping was like, I don’t know what this show is. I have never heard it, nor have I watched this movie. But yet he was in full costume and also super drunk.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:15] Well, it was the balcony and it was as per the rules in the balcony.

Paul Scheer [00:17:20] And then I went over to what seemed to be the leader of their group, and I said to him, Do you have a question? To which he just said, “What’s that smell? Dookie!” Which was a quote from no holds barred.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:37] Yeah. A movie we were not covering that night.

Paul Scheer [00:17:40] No. And I was like, Oh, brother, this is a mess. And so when I saw this guy get down, I was like, We got a drunk man that we are going to have problems with.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:50] And he was in line for the second to sing a second opinion song.

Paul Scheer [00:17:54] Yes.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:55] And that’s what was like. It was like, uh oh, are we going to have a situation here? And then go ahead, Paul.

Paul Scheer [00:18:02] Nails it.

Paul Scheer [00:18:03] Kills it, crushed it.

Paul Scheer [00:18:05] Now, I don’t think I’m going to see anything again from Fry guy, but then I find out he’s a major discord guy. He’s on discord all the time.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:14] He’s Queasy?

Paul Scheer [00:18:16] Queasy 35. He is out there. I didn’t. Based on my my interactions with them in the balcony I would have never have guessed that he is a die hard listener, You know brought all of his friends so I. I give it up is a great I, I judged the book by its drunk cover or I judged a book by its quote because I don’t think he was drunk. It was just anyone screaming Dookie into the microphone is somebody that I’m not going to trust.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:46] Correct me if I’m wrong, Paul. But when he came down to sing the second opinion song, didn’t his tank top say Dookie on it?

Paul Scheer [00:18:52] Yes, it did.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:53] Okay. Just making sure this. Do you think that the people I’m curious about this. Do the fans all like go to the same bar? Like is there a is there a hang? Okay. Yeah, that’s what I’m wondering.

Paul Scheer [00:19:08] So discord has been really great. Our moderators have created two separate spaces, one for just hangout talk, picture sharing. Where do you park? That kind of chat. And then one which is where people have been submitting questions that I’ve now incorporated into the show. I’ll go out into the audience knowing like, Oh, there might be somebody out here who has something, and it’s hard for me to judge who will have a great question. But if we find a good one on there, we will go to them to can deliver it. Again, not to keep on mentioning DC, the space lawyer. The space lawyer. I got from.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:45] From the discord. But what’s interesting is the space lawyer makes himself known on the discord, but then can’t really talk about space law. When pressed to discuss space law, really balks at it. Which I was like, How dare you?

Paul Scheer [00:20:00] I mean, and really, you can’t advertise and not pay off. I will say this. As I’ve been getting all the designs in from every night, because every night we make a shirt and there was a strong contingent that people wanted a I’m a space lawyer shirt. We didn’t opt to do that. We did something a little bit different for the last show, which was a mike Lindell themed Harvey Korman as Mike Lindell doing a Mypillow ad for munchies, which is saying, MyMunchie.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:33] This makes no sense. This really makes, this is maybe the shirt of the tour that makes the least sense in a in a pleasing way.

Paul Scheer [00:20:41] I 100% agree with you, but I have to say that the the LDPPD, the I love New Jersey ninja with the wig. The seagull who is an outcast. The shirts are coming in really, really nice. But if that space lawyer would have given us some real info. Yeah, he might have been shirt worthy.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:04] Immortalized. He might have been immortalized on a t shirt.

Paul Scheer [00:21:06] Like Morgan.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:07] Like Morgan.

Paul Scheer [00:21:08] I cannot wait for this audience to meet Morgan.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:11] I could spend the rest of this chat talking only about the glory of Morgan. Thank you. If you are listening, which you better fucking be, Morgan. Thank you, Morgan, for providing, like, absolutely the entire spine of the Philly show was on Morgan Because he made us understand Dungeons and Dragons in a way that was essential to us having a successful show. Thank you.

Paul Scheer [00:21:37] And also say first time anyone has been able to hold a mic for the entire show, he used it perfectly. He was phenomenal. Amazing, an amazing audience member, additive. It like he set the tone. He set the tone.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:57] One of the best. Well, no, I don’t want to say one of the best because we’ve had some wonderful in Detroit, The woman who gave us all the insights into the background of all the drama around the Oogieloves or I think it was Michael, the Morbius expert in Chicago. We had some good ones, but Morgan was incredible because he did it the whole show. He didn’t he wasn’t doing any bits. He was you know, he had an economy of words for everything he needed to put through. And the audience was loving him. The audience was obsessed with Morgan The number of spontaneous Morgan Morgan chants that erupted not because we started them, but because the audience did. That’s incredible. And Morgan is now the fourth host.

Paul Scheer [00:22:45] And we love it. And so get ready for the new episodes.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:47] The new announcement here. Morgan, Last name unknown is now the fourth host of out of this get made.

Paul Scheer [00:22:53] You know, I just think that what I love about going out and meeting everybody is there are some people who really get the show from a listener standpoint like yes, for example, the one person who traveled with us for all six shows, a lovely human being was there the entire time, gave some good advice to the audience at the end about what to do, especially with second opinion songs. And what we found was we gave everybody a little tip. We said, Look, there’s six, seven people singing songs. You’re doing this for the audience as much as the people at home.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:32] And we know guys, we know you want us to include every single second opinion song as long as it goes. We know that’s what the audience is clamoring for. Episodes that are 20 minute plus of just audience singing, right? That’s what the guys want. They don’t get any feedback that you guys don’t like the second opinion songs.

Paul Scheer [00:23:50] They want more. And I will say some people are actually mad that we cut out their second opinion songs. They came back to say, Hey, I didn’t like that you cut that out and I’m coming back again to not get cut out. But I’ll tell you this much. The thing that we found on this tour that we’ve never found, and I don’t know why it took us so long to realize this was when you get to that peak, when the audience is behind you and you’ve nailed it, stop singing.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:17] It. If you have another verse written, even if you have more to go bail when you get a big applause because the audience is already on your side, you’re only going to go down from there. And you know what? People listened and they they did it like you. It was great direction that I feel like you gave to people such that they were able to kind of hit a high. And then a couple people noticed it and just walked away heroes.

Paul Scheer [00:24:44] And it was a wonderful moment and I mean, brevity, soul of wit on those songs. I really do believe it. I love those songs. But man, when people when people would do it, it was just it was a beautiful moment of restraint and everybody was just fantastic. The audiences were amazing.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:02] The audience, I feel, is the only hiccup we had. The only hiccup we had was and it wasn’t even really a hiccup. It was just that the New Jersey theater just didn’t have chairs.

Paul Scheer [00:25:12] Yeah, for us. And that’s really interesting.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:15] And that was that show was crazy. And that I think is also part of what made us tired was that I have to you have to factor in. We stood for like, you, especially over 2 hours.

Paul Scheer [00:25:28] It was it was why I train. It’s why I work out because I don’t know if we get to a venue when we don’t have the proper setup. We have to be ready to go at a moment’s notice. And. And look, we did it. You know, it’s like the NBA players going into the bubble. No crowds, no problem. You know, we had to do it.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:46] It makes me so happy that everybody comes out and gets rowdy on, especially on weeknights. Yeah. These are the it’s a lot of people coming out. A lot of people who’ve gotten I said it a couple of nights, but it’s a lot of people who’ve gotten babysitters. We are so grateful, I do think. Paul, what do you think? I think there should be a How Did This Get Made T-shirt not pinned to any of the shows, but to all tour shows, which is just How Did This Get Made presents or How Did This Get Made Live – Mom and dad’s night out. I don’t know what it is.

Paul Scheer [00:26:18] Yeah, I heard Parents Night Out was a very big favorite on the discord as well. Parents’ night out you know because you know, I think that we are at an age where a lot of people are like, I get sitters when I go out to things.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:31] Yes, I love it.

Paul Scheer [00:26:32] You know that it’s you have to.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:34] I love a parents night out shirt I think will capture the hearts of a lot of people and also families night out all those families that were there together which made me so happy. Parents and children listening to the show together, coming to the show together. There was a baby. There was a very cute baby that I was too scared to hold. But boy, did I want to. Made me happy to see a baby. Babies still like the show, Paul. Makes me happy.

Paul Scheer [00:27:01] Across the board. You all stepped it up. If you came out to the shows in your costumes with what you brought, with what you brought with questions, energy, everything, it every night. We started off in Boston, which is a hard city to top as far as energy is concerned. And every night just continue to bring a different full energy. Standing ovations, sold out shows. And I really believe it’s all because the audiences make those shows their own. It wasn’t the same show any night, every night’s a little bit different. I mean, very different. Oddly.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:37] Wildly different. And especially like it’s so fun to walk into a theater where everybody’s shared and it’s not just we’re all going to share the experience of the show, but everybody’s share the experience of having just watched whatever that night’s movie is, which also colors the audience. Like New York was so mad about Jonathan Livingston Seagull. Oh, man. So collectively angry that they fuzed together in a in a, as a as a single entity, a 2600 seat, single entity of hatred and anger for having had to watch. They booed the entire length of you showing the trailer. Because what people don’t know is that prior to the show, starting with the theme song and all the rest, Paul does like a an intro where where he plays the trailer for the movie.

Paul Scheer [00:28:28] Getting ready for it.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:29] Yeah, do some and does somebody just explain stuff to the crowd how the show is going to work anyway. There’s a lot of pre there’s a lot of preamble, including the trailer and for the entire minute and a half of the trailer, the audience booed hard for the entire length of the trailer. It was hilarious.

Paul Scheer [00:28:49] I mean, wow, that tour was fun. I didn’t want it to end as tired as I was, and we weren’t as tired as we normally were because I think we did a very smart move, which is not to do two shows in one night. The last time we did this for, it was too many shows.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:06] Too old now to do two shows a night for an entire week. It’s crazy. Yeah, but I still I could have kept going if I’d had one night off but had a night off. I could have done another couple of nights, which would have been great because we were having so much fun.

Paul Scheer [00:29:19] I know I came home and I had that feeling where I was like, Oh, I’d be in the theater right now. I like, Yeah, I like that vibe. It was so fun. And anyway, we’ll go out more. Stay tuned because, you know, when we come back from a tour, we’re always excited to go right back out. So that’s when it’s good to start. We start booking in this moment. Yeah. So.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:39] You know, and we’re excited. We had a good time and I think we’re we’re going to be trying to do some more stuff throughout the rest of the summer in the fall. So keep an eye out if you want us to come to your town. Well, maybe we will, but also go on and buy the merch from this tour. There’s fun stuff. And you know, whether it’s the t shirts that we designed or I don’t know. Can people buy Alex Forbes’s Balcony Monsters poster? That’s a live show only?

Paul Scheer [00:30:05] Yes. We only have we have a lot of merch that is exclusive to the live shows. Now I did hear something which I will figure out. How to fix. Next tour, which is. I think that it has to be cash cash only version. So but we’ll figure that out. I will tell you, we got to get back to New York. You and I both, because I don’t know if you heard about this. This is totally off topic, but I you know, obviously, we’re talking about live shows. Did you know that there’s a live show playing right now on Broadway that is called The Shark is Broken, which is all.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:40] Oh, yes. About Jaws.

Paul Scheer [00:30:42] Yeah. I did not know about this.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:43] Yeah, I just I think it’s pretty new. I just heard about it.

Paul Scheer [00:30:46] I cannot wait.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:48] Yeah, Yeah. No, I’d love to see that. Absolutely.

Paul Scheer [00:30:51] It is a 95 minute intermission free play. Oh, man, I. I was reading about it, and I was like, I got to get back to New York. I got to see this thing.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:00] Oh, no, Let’s. I would love it. And maybe we can make this happen. Maybe we’ll cut this out of this right now. My goal, my hope is that we do like a New York City residency, but we are in the city.

Paul Scheer [00:31:12] We should definitely do that.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:12] We’re in the city for a week of shows or, you know, like some handful of night of shows, you know.

Paul Scheer [00:31:18] Make it like a Vegas residency. Set up in Vegas. We can do that on the East coast.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:23] And every night is Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

Paul Scheer [00:31:26] I would love it. I would love it. Jason, I know that you did a lot of driving. We did a lot of training. Did you listen to any podcasts when you were out there on the road?

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:40] I mean, I listen to stuff that I feel like I’ve talked about before.

Paul Scheer [00:31:43] Yeah, got it.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:44] Some of the Andy Daly Bananas for Bonanza stuff. Yeah. yeah, They’re still going.

Paul Scheer [00:31:50] Oh, I didn’t realize that. Oh, my gosh.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:52] Oh, so. So he has spun off into his own patreon now. Oh, okay. So Andy Daly has his own patreon, and that is, I think just called Andy Daly patreon, maybe, I don’t know, the Andy Daily Podcast Project it’s called. And it has bananas for Bonanza, as well as a number of other recurring podcasts that the Andy Daly characters do. Hot Dog has his own podcast, The pretzel guy has his own podcast. It’s it’s a cacophony of nonsense, all of it hilarious.

Paul Scheer [00:32:28] Oh, I love that.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:29] I, I think we talked about Valley Heat on this before.

Paul Scheer [00:32:32] Yes, we did. We love Valley Heat.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:33] But boy, I listened to a bunch more of that. And that was absolutely, absolutely making me cry, laughing.

Paul Scheer [00:32:41] I don’t know if I talked about this podcast that I really like a lot. Did you know that McKay has a podcast? He did one called. All Right. So he did one about a year ago called Death at the Wing, which was all about the NBA and about these not mysterious deaths, but these deaths of stars and and how they were all kind of connected. And it’s great if you’re an NBA fan, if you’re just a history fan, it’s great. But now he’s done this new one called Death on the Lot, which is all about 1950s Hollywood. And it’s all about this idea of how this, you know, the culture of the time. They talk about James Dean. They talk about these big Hollywood systems. It’s very, very interesting. Like basically postwar America is trying so hard to be happy. And in that time, you’re also getting all these very interesting deaths that are not like, you know, not that anyone was killing anyone, but it was like, sure. But the pressure of the time, he’s he’s great. It’s a great doc show. I love his stuff. It’s all about like labor unions and yeah, a lot of really cool stuff. James Dean Like I said, yeah, really a George Reeves.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:56] That’s a very interesting. Yeah, that sounds cool too. It’s like one of my favorite seasons of You Must Remember This. The Karina Longworth podcast is the Star Wars. I think it’s called season, which is how all of the stars interacted with and intersected with World War Two. Yes, exactly. And that that that was a great season of that show.

Paul Scheer [00:34:16] I love that stuff. So that’s what I was listening to or watching. That’s I mean, and by the way, just feeding movies into my brain nonstop. I couldn’t like it was a really interesting thing to be so singularly focused.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:35] Yeah.

Paul Scheer [00:34:35] On nothing else but bad movies.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:37] Yes. Every day being like, having to be like, okay, I got to watch this whole piece of shit movie right now. Oh, cramming it in in the green room or in the last moments while you were on stage doing stuff. I was just like, trying to get through it.

Paul Scheer [00:34:53] I really. Yeah, my brain hurts from that, but it really does like, it does feel like it. I will say one thing, one downside of the tour, and this is just me taking issue with place in New York called Chelsea Piers. Place that I was a fan of. I still am a fan of ultimately, but god damn Chelsea Piers is expensive. I went to Chelsea Piers with my kids. We did a bunch of different stuff, golfing, batting cages, because again, we have to make this a full on family vacation and nightly show. I put $30 into a token machine at an arcade. $30? Guess how many games we played for? $30.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:42] And what kind of games are we talking?

Paul Scheer [00:35:43] One was a VR game and one was again. Then there’s another and Papa shot. Then there’s like other just regular arcade games and.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:50] Got it. Yeah. Oh. Wow. So $30 when we were kids would have been like dozens of games. Yeah. So, I mean, I’d say less than ten. Less than ten.

Paul Scheer [00:36:00] Two. When I put the card in the third game and they said, you don’t have funds, I was like, What the fuck? No funds. One was a game in which they wore a VR headset. Right. They both wore it. And then the other one was Papa shot. That was it.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:27] Holy shit.

Paul Scheer [00:36:28] 30 bucks. We were in and out of that arcade in 5 minutes.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:34] That was hysterical.

Paul Scheer [00:36:34] I was furious.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:35] You’ve got to be livid.

Paul Scheer [00:36:37] Furious. I mean, and this is coming from someone who rode Codzilla for whatever the fuck that cost. I mean, I’m sure that was six bucks a head.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:47] It makes me laugh.

Paul Scheer [00:36:48] The funniest thing about Codzilla is the host of Codzilla, the the boat. He’s not even the captain. He’s just the narrator.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:58] The emcee.

Paul Scheer [00:36:58] The emcee of it. You’re. You’re going to get wet. I mean, that’s basically it. You’re get you’re going to get soaked. But he still has to do this dumb bit. Like he’s got to, like, make a reference as you pass the jail that the owner of this company is in the jail right now because some tourists got hurt. You know, they play like they play you know, they play like Led Zeppelin as they’re out there, like, you know, it’s like it’s just it’s the silliest thing ever. I’m looking at the website for it now. It’s like, you know, and it’s got an energy to it or it’s like, yeah, secure your head scarves, eyewear and bad hair pieces. You know, it’s like that kind of an energy. But the kids had a great time and we were soaked.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:46] And it’s just you guys riding around in a boat, pretend it they pretend like there’s a there’s a there’s a there’s a mutant fish chasing you and you have to run away from it.

Paul Scheer [00:37:58] This is where the again.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:59] The you are adapting Codzilla, right?

Paul Scheer [00:38:03] Once the strike is over. I am going to take Codzilla out.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:06] And then I’m going to write the play. The Cod is broken.

Paul Scheer [00:38:11] And honestly, it’s going to be great. It’s going to be great. I will say there’s just one more thing on Codzilla. They truly don’t even try to give you that much. They bring you out to a place they go. That’s where they recycle waste. There’s a rumor there’s a fish out here who ate some of that toxic waste. Then all of a sudden you hear the sonar. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. And then the boat just starts doing donuts. And then it’s like, okay, we got away. That’s the story. That’s the story of Codzilla. Now, look, did I get did I buy my ticket for the story or did I buy it for the 360 degree spins? I bought it for the spins, but I will say they could have put a cap in that story in a different way. Not just we escaped.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:02] Just because we. You asked me earlier what I was listening to in the car, I’ll throw out some some music that I was listening to as well. Off of my summer 2023 playlist. Well, um, there’s a couple of songs from that new Hannah Jadagu album, Lose and What You Did. Some tracks from Feeble Little Horse. I’m just going to throw out band names. Oh, and sometimes titles to cowboy nudes from geese. A bunch of the tracks from the Bar Italia album Nurse. Exclamation point being one of them. Eastern Ave from Flasher. Some a bunch of stuff from This is the Kids new record, which is once again just a fantastic, fantastic record. Big Thief have new music out. Billy Tibbles has new music out. There’s a lot of great stuff. A lot of it. Just like, you like really nuts stuff that I or maybe I again, I know I talk about it all the time. I want to put New Squirrel. Flower is out. These all sound like pretend names that I make up.

Paul Scheer [00:40:04] I was gonna say.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:05] Cut Worms has new music out. Blake Mills, who we saw play with Joni Mitchell. Oh, yeah. He has a new record out. That’s beautiful. Man, there’s a song by a guy named Darryl Jones that’s just called Gabriel. It’s the only song of his that I’ve ever found. Can’t stop listening to it. Great job, Darryl Jones. Anyway.

Paul Scheer [00:40:25] I mean, this is my question to you. I was like, How are you getting turned on to your own? This music.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:29] You know, this is interesting. Getting like getting turned on to new music at our age is such a difficult thing. And it’s it’s the thing that I struggle with the most because also because a lot of the ways that I used to discover new music have gone away. Right. You know, record stores, there used to be a record store in San Francisco called Aquarius Records. Speaking of which, Aquarius records. Andy, Jim, the Gang. Where’s the documentary? There is supposed to be an Aquarius Records documentary. I want to watch it. Same thing. I want to watch the Judee Sill documentary. Guys, where are these documentaries?

Paul Scheer [00:41:09] I mean, look, I told you on tour backstage that I went on a deep dive of Taylor Swift. I Oh, yeah, I like Taylor Swift, but I got into all the stories, and now I’m like, Yeah, I feel like I’m reading this giant novel that I haven’t had access to or I have had access to. I just didn’t know how to kind of get into it. And boy, oh boy, I mean, the Who’s written a song about who and why I’m.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:32] Oh, yeah, yeah, that’s right. You were talking a lot about like all of the exes. All of the songs of the Exes. Oh, yeah. Oh, that’s great.

Paul Scheer [00:41:40] Fascinating. And by the way, It’s a very I mean, I’m all. I’m all in. I’m all in. I saw that show. It’s a great show. You can’t see that show again until 2024.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:51] I’m jealous.

Paul Scheer [00:41:53] You would love to see it.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:55] I would love to see it. Anyway, to answer your question, I find music all over the place, you know, whether it’s on Bandcamp or on, I still subscribe, I still use an RSS feed. I still use my RSS feed to subscribe to websites, including a lot of music websites. So I’m aggregating a lot of different music sites to give me their reviews, to give me their what’s new, to give me their best reissues, to give me their best new stuff. That’s all that stuff. And Bandcamp itself does a good job of kind of putting grouping stuff together. They’ll do like a best jazz, best new jazz this month on Bandcamp kind of list or stuff like that or, you know, so whether it’s all that or whether it’s I still listen to the radio a lot. I still listen to the radio as a method of getting turned on to stuff, you know. And this this was fun to like be cruising for hours and just be like flipping through the radio and like in D.C. in the middle of the night, driving into D.C., the night that we left Philly, our show, we did our show in Philly, and then I drove to D.C. that night. The last half of that drive, I found a guy doing like an African music show on like, like D.C. Public Radio. And it was incredible. The whole thing was fantastic.

Paul Scheer [00:43:14] All right, This is great. Well, thank you, Jason. People will be hearing all of our tour shows starting next week and you will see what we have in store for you. They’re going to be big fun shows. And next time here. Jason and I will be taking some of your questions, concerns, comments about your life. And we’ll be helping you with that.

Paul Scheer [00:43:34] Now we got Hangman out of the way. Let’s talk about next week’s movie. We are going from an Al Pacino cop to an Ellen Barkin body swap. That’s right. Next week we are watching the 1991 Body Swap Comedy Switch, starring Ellen Barkin, Jimmy Smits, Jobeth Williams and Lorraine Bracco. Short breakdown of the plot. A sexist womanizer is killed by a group of his former lovers and gets reincarnated as a woman. Oh, boy. It’s so much more than that, too. Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 32% score on the tomato meter. And Jeff Brown from the Times UK says “If this movie were on television, you would switch.” Boom! Slam dunk. Nailed it, Jeff Brown. Anyway, let’s take a listen to the trailer.

Trailer Audio [00:44:16] After Steve died, God sent him back as a blond. Now, a guy who used to use women is finding out first hand that was no way to treat a lady. Ellen Barkin. See Blake Edwards newest comedy. Switch. Jimmy Smits, Rated R. Now playing at a theater near you.

Paul Scheer [00:44:42] Oh, cannot wait for you to watch this movie. It’s our first tour show from Boston. What a crowd. We also have a very special guest which the true fans will know because you will have seen it on social media. Anyway. That is it for the show. Remember to rate and review us. It helps. If you listen on Apple Podcasts, make sure you are following us. Make sure you’re checking out Movie Bitches on YouTube and visits on social media @HDTGM. A big thank you to our producer, Scott Sonne, Molly Reynolds, our movie beginning producer Avril Halley, our engineers Casey Holford and Rich Garcia, and Jess Cisneros, who makes our amazing I mean, they are truly outstanding social media videos. The one that she made for Hangman. I lost it. It was so good. We will see you next week for Switch.