EP. 368.5 — Last Looks: Kraven the Hunter [Jason Edition]

[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Muscle bound, hunks. Kraven leads the Me Too movement and we are joined by Jason Mantzoukas. All this and more on today’s Last Looks.

[00:00:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, I’m here too?

[00:00:09] Paul Scheer: Hit the theme!

[00:00:12] Music: [Last Looks Intro Song]

[00:00:52] Paul Scheer: Hello all my Tony Bennett and John Goodman impersonators. It’s me, Paul Scheer, and today I am joined by Mr. Jason Mantzoukas. Jason, how’s it going?

[00:01:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, well, well, here we go. Back in action. Can you believe it?

[00:01:04] Paul Scheer: I cannot. I, I’m excited that we are joining together to look through Last Looks because we got a lot of big stuff today.

[00:01:13] I also just want to call out that the Toronto show is almost sold out. I am excited for people to go and if people have been asking, what movie are you doing? And since it’s been a long time, Toronto, we wanted to bring you something good. We are doing the musical with Sylvester Stallone called Oscar.

[00:01:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, he’s done multiple? We did one with Dolly Parton.

[00:01:33] Scott Sonne: I think Molly said earlier, it’s not actually a musical.

[00:01:35] Molly Reynolds: Yeah, it a, it’s a screwball not, not a musical.

[00:01:38] Paul Scheer: Oh, screwball. Okay. Well, look, here’s the thing. Screwball musical. Whew.

[00:01:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. I, I just, you saw me just have a panic attack. Well, the idea that I would have to endure another Sylvester Stallone singing movie also, Paul, how aware are you, I’m curious

[00:01:56] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:01:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Of the fact that Sylvester Stallone wrote the movie, A Working Man. The new Jason Statham

[00:02:03] Paul Scheer: What?

[00:02:04] Jason Mantzoukas: David Ayer movie.

[00:02:06] Paul Scheer: No.

[00:02:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Is scripted by Sylvester Stallone.

[00:02:09] Paul Scheer: Okay. Well I’ve been saving that movie because

[00:02:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.

[00:02:11] Paul Scheer: I’ve been like, I wanna watch it either for this show or really enjoy it. Holy shit.

[00:02:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Here’s what I’m gonna say.

[00:02:17] Scott Sonne: Yeah.

[00:02:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Here’s what I felt. Similarly, and granted, take this with a grain of salt. I’ve only watched the first hour.

[00:02:23] Paul Scheer: Okay.

[00:02:24] Jason Mantzoukas: It is not the joyous,

[00:02:27] Paul Scheer: Okay.

[00:02:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Jason Statham, Beekeeper, uh

[00:02:30] Paul Scheer: okay.

[00:02:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Vibes that we want it, I’m afraid. It is.

[00:02:33] Paul Scheer: Ah, it’s a bummer.

[00:02:34] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s, it feels a lot more, let’s say, Stallonian.

[00:02:38] Paul Scheer: Well, by the way, here’s what I think is going on.

[00:02:40] We talked about this, uh, which everybody, uh, on the podcast we’ll hear in a couple weeks, but in the Expendables movie, I feel like Stallone has a bunch of scripts that are just floating around and. When he doesn’t do one, he kind of throws them out to somebody else, and this felt like, wow. I love that he is. I mean, the fact that Stallone has not gotten a writing credit on Tulsa King.

[00:03:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh boy.

[00:03:01] Paul Scheer: Is surprising. I mean, but

[00:03:03] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m shocked. I’m shocked. He’s not in those rooms.

[00:03:05] Paul Scheer: I mean, he loves to put his name on stuff. We talked about this during Cobra. He put his name on the book.

[00:03:10] Jason Mantzoukas: He, yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:10] Paul Scheer: That Cobra.

[00:03:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. The, the book, the, the, the movie is based on, he wanted to rerelease the book with his name as the author.

[00:03:18] Paul Scheer: Oh my gosh.

[00:03:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, this incredible stuff.

[00:03:20] Paul Scheer: This is a moment in time, this Oscar movie where Stallone is trying to be like Schwarzenegger. Do comedies. Yeah. And he did like a gangster comedy. I remember this. As something that was released that I did not go and see.

[00:03:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Same, same. I remember it. You know the, the VHS box is.

[00:03:38] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:03:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Ubiquitous. ’cause it was a, it was a big movie, a failure, but a big movie nonetheless, because it was a stallone movie. So, and, and in those years, that was something to be, you know, celebrated. But, but boy, no, I, I, I was not interested.

[00:03:54] Paul Scheer: And now, by the way, the fun thing about Toronto is we decided since we’re going all the way out there, we would do a little Dinosaur show. The night before. Small bespoke, intermittent rooms, no microphones with a, a great cast. Lenon Parem, uh, Lisa Gilroy. They’re joining us as well as Seth Morris and, uh, Chad Carter in Toronto. That is gonna be fun. That’s a night before that is on.

[00:04:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Come see us, us do improv in a, in a small setting. It is a great show. Great people, uh, and it’s gonna crush. Toronto, you’ve never seen comedy before, right? Second City, question mark.

[00:04:28] Paul Scheer: Come on.

[00:04:28] Jason Mantzoukas: How about Dinosaur Improv, Toronto?

[00:04:31] Paul Scheer: At Second City. So you’ll get.

[00:04:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh wait, it’s at Second City? Oh, okay. Just kidding. Love Second City, big fan.

[00:04:37] Paul Scheer: But then, uh, then after that we’re gonna head right over to, uh, Chicago, back at The Den again. Smaller venue than what we’ve been doing with, uh, the same cast plus Owen Burke for uh, a couple shows there. So you can get tickets at HDTGM.com. Uh, but these shows will sell out quick ’cause they are smaller. But I’m excited to go back to Chicago. I love that room. The Den is awesome.

[00:04:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Great room. We had great shows there last year. Excited to go back. Excited to walk around Chicago, eat some good food, hang out with all the meats.

[00:05:07] Paul Scheer: I can’t wait.

[00:05:07] Jason Mantzoukas: All the meats of Chicago.

[00:05:09] Paul Scheer: Oh, and by the way, the thing that is important to mention is that June will be with us in Toronto, so

[00:05:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.

[00:05:14] Paul Scheer: That’s exciting. A very exciting time.

[00:05:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah. So lest you think that, that June has, we’ve lost June completely. Nope. She’s back in. She’s gonna be watching these terrible movies and, and, and, and, you know, I will say, uh, I, I’ll miss St. Clair. Uh, I miss, I’ll miss that chaotic, uh, screaming entity beside me, uh, on stage. But it’ll be great to have June back.

[00:05:35] Paul Scheer: But here’s the thing, people don’t even know what they’re getting with St. Clair. ‘Cause they only heard the first episode, Kraven The Hunter, which we’re gonna talk about in this episode.

[00:05:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Which we had June four as well.

[00:05:45] Paul Scheer: Exactly. So we got, you’ve only just seen the tip of the iceberg. Jessica descends into insanity as the, uh, as the shows go on.

[00:05:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, by the end of the tour. Yeah. St. Clair was, uh, nearly, uh, uh, hospitalized. She, she was almost institutionalized. We, you know. We almost had to 51 50 her.

[00:06:05] Paul Scheer: Uh, by the way, uh, we always ask you to submit a tagline, uh, for the movies that we do, and so here is a tagline from a Ghost Bag, “Kraven the Hunter: he was in a Equatorial Africa with my dad when he was hunting lions right before he died.”

[00:06:20] Love it. Little Madame Webb. It’s longer. I like a punchier one, but I like that we went back there.

[00:06:25] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and it’s a call. You really have to know the, the Sony Spider-Man villain averse. Um, but yes.

[00:06:31] Paul Scheer: I love it all. Alright, so thank you. Ghost Bag for that tagline. Remember, if you have an alt movie, tagline, title, submit it to us on our Discord and we may read it on the show. Now, Jason, like I said, we are gonna get into corrections and omissions in just a bit.

[00:06:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I can’t, you’re telling me that people have corrections on our comic book based movie knowledge?

[00:06:49] Paul Scheer: Oh, they’re, they’re gonna come at us hot. I wanna also give a thanks to Chris Cheney for that opening theme and. I gotta say one more thing, Jason. Uh, people are getting very excited about Taskmaster. I keep on seeing more and more promo. Yeah. See you out there. May 1st, right? Or May 4th.

[00:07:07] Jason Mantzoukas: May 1st. It’ll, it’ll also, it’ll air May 1st, uh, on channel four in the Uk and then it will air May 2nd on YouTube and everywhere else. Um, all. So it’ll be up. The new episodes will be up week to week, starting May 2nd on YouTube. So go to YouTube, uh, right now, go to the Taskmaster page and subscribe.

[00:07:26] Paul Scheer: I’ve already seen some clips of you on stage now. There’s like,

[00:07:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah?

[00:07:30] Paul Scheer: Little moments. It looks great. You look so good up there.

[00:07:33] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s so crazy to see footage of me on the Taskmaster stage. It seems strange to me.

[00:07:39] Paul Scheer: I’m, I am legitimate. This is the event of the year and, uh, I was telling you before we started recording, my kids had started watching The Good Place, uh, and they were very pleasantly surprised to see Derek. And now I believe I’m gonna blow their mind when, uh, when, when they see Taskmaster.

[00:07:55] Now the only benefit of the Good Place was we’ve been burning through it. They’ve been loving it. Uh, but they turned to June after watching like a couple seasons and they’re like, mom, why aren’t you in this show? June’s like, I don’t know. But I was in Parks and Rec and they’re like, what? We don’t care.

[00:08:14] Jason Mantzoukas: What’s that?

[00:08:14] Paul Scheer: Yeah. They don’t want it. But it is so funny when my kids are watching this stuff, ’cause they’re like, do you know Janet?

[00:08:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:08:21] Paul Scheer: And every now and then, my son, who I love so much, but sometimes we’ll say the dumbest things, he goes, I go, yeah, I know Janet. And he goes, do you know bad Janet? I’m like, they’re, they’re the same person.

[00:08:35] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love it. I, that’s such a funny thing that your kids have, like they have another element or level that you might know the people that are on the TV show, right?

[00:08:45] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.

[00:08:45] Jason Mantzoukas: It was a strange thing. And I remember my nieces when they were younger, when they were probably closer to your kids’ age, um, were similarly asking me questions about something I had done and do I know this person and do I know that person?

[00:08:57] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:08:57] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and they were all people that I knew and I was like, oh yeah, I know that person. I can’t remember. And then, um. She thought for a second, my niece thought for a second and then said, do you know Reba? And I was like, Reba McIntyre? She was like, yes. Do you know Reba? She was probably eight years old.

[00:09:13] Paul Scheer: Oh my gosh.

[00:09:14] Jason Mantzoukas: And turns out they had discovered the TV show, Reba in reruns, and were obsessed with it. And I was like, I, I, I felt so, it felt so cool to be like, oh yeah, I do know that person.

[00:09:25] Paul Scheer: Right.

[00:09:26] Jason Mantzoukas: I do. For them to be so excited about Reba and to have to admit I do not know Reba, they were palpably disappointed.

[00:09:33] Paul Scheer: Well, thi this is the thing is like they will always pull out something truly crazy. But I did have a weird interaction with my, uh, I’m just say like a, a third cousin. Wonderful kid, younger kid. And he’s like, you’re in that movie with Jennifer Garner, right? And I was like, yeah, yeah.

[00:09:50] And he’s like, is she nice? I’m like, she’s the best, the coolest, like literally a fun as hell person. And I’m telling him that. And he goes. You think, uh, you could ask her if you’d ever go on a date with me. Oh, I was like, oh, no. I, I, I can’t. I can’t. He’s like, well, maybe we could just like hang out with her if I ever come out to LA. I was like, oh, I don’t, I like, I like.

[00:10:10] It was so sweet. Oh, but also.

[00:10:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he’s got a crush on Jennifer Garner.

[00:10:15] Paul Scheer: Jen. And, and what I love about it too is Jennifer Garner from 2025, he is like a. 13-year-old. Like he is not, like.

[00:10:21] Jason Mantzoukas: He didn’t see 13 going on 30.

[00:10:23] Paul Scheer: Or Alias. Like, he’s just like, I like that. I would like to, I would like to, uh, to meet her and see if I could strike up something, the sweetest thing.

[00:10:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that’s sweet as hell.

[00:10:31] Paul Scheer: And it was hard for me to come down. Anyway, we’ll be right back after this quick break. Uh.

[00:10:36] Jason Mantzoukas: But do you think, wait, but do, do you think she’d go on a date?

[00:10:38] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll try to, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll dm her we’ll see what she says. We’ll be right after this.

[00:10:46] Uh, welcome back. Uh, last week we talked at length about Kraven the Hunter.

[00:10:50] We had questions, you have answers. You, you might have even wanted to take a moment to say, uh, Paul, Jason, Jessica, June, you’re wrong. Here’s your chance to do it all. It’s now time for corrections and omissions.

[00:11:02] Music: [Corrections and Omissions Song]

[00:11:11] Paul Scheer: All right. Thank you Bionic Limbs for that theme song. Here we go. Sean McBee writes. Alright, Jason, it gets me nervous to do this in front of you because these are always so weirdly worded.

[00:11:21] Jason Mantzoukas: I can’t, by the way, I can’t believe you do this. I can’t believe you entertain this nonsense.

[00:11:27] Paul Scheer: I love it. I love.

[00:11:28] Jason Mantzoukas: These, these lunatics.

[00:11:30] Paul Scheer: Alright, so.

[00:11:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Disconnect the Discord.

[00:11:33] Paul Scheer: Uh, Sean Mcbe really does bring, uh, by the way, that shirt is selling. Yeah. There is a, uh, a little cartoon of you unplugging a computer. It’s pretty great. Uh, Sean Mcbe writes,

[00:11:43] “If the point of these Sony movies is to build up a Spider-Man universe so they can all jump straight into action with a bunch of established villains and supporting characters. When Sony regains the rights to use Spider-Man, then why introduce Rhino just to kill him off. He’s a major Spider-Man villain that is dead before Spider-Man even gets a chance to fight him. I’m beginning to think that Sony has no idea of what they are doing.”

[00:12:07] Well, I mean, yeah. Right?

[00:12:08] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, yes, clearly. I mean, they are as evidenced by each of these movies and their incoherence. I don’t think they have much of a plan, Sean McBee.

[00:12:19] Paul Scheer: I don’t think that Spider-Man is ever coming back to Sony. I, I think that, that, I mean, technically that could be a door that opens, but it’s just, it doesn’t feel like that’s gonna happen. I think the idea is that they’re.

[00:12:30] Jason Mantzoukas: But clearly what they want, you know, like.

[00:12:32] Paul Scheer: Right.

[00:12:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Like I think Sony keeps thinking, oh great, now that that Marvel has done us a solid and established this character, we can now pull him back. I remember a couple of years ago, oh yeah, they were saying after the, um, last Spider-Man where Toby McGuire and um, uh, Andrew Garfield showed up, that perhaps, um, one of them would keep going forward. While Tom Holland dipped in, was pulled back into the Sony verse, uh, Sony, and there was some, some drama around that, I think.

[00:13:04] Paul Scheer: Right. There was a whole thing. I mean, here’s the thing. I, I feel like they, I. Are not really trying to build a universe as much as build a bunch of movies that are loosely connected on theme. Right. ’cause they’re not even in the same, I mean, I guess they’re in the same world. They.

[00:13:19] Jason Mantzoukas: I think they are. I think they, I think there are people at Sony who, and I’m certain not by the time they got to Kraven, who I believe were trying to set up basically the Sinister Six.

[00:13:29] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:13:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Or some version of that they could then drop Spider-Man into and be like, okay, now Spider-Man is inside of a world of his villains.

[00:13:37] Okay, terrific.

[00:13:37] Paul Scheer: There was a great Sony script that had the Sinister Six in it, and it was, I mean, but again, that’s a weird thing. It’s this, it’s almost like better if Sony just keeps on shuttling stuff over to Marvel and make a good

[00:13:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Absolutely.

[00:13:49] Paul Scheer: Movie like that. Make a standalone.

[00:13:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Absolutely. I also think that Sony has shown over and over again that they don’t truly understand, with the exception of Venom, um, yeah. What these stories should be about.

[00:14:00] Paul Scheer: Well, I’ll argue that the reason why Venom works in a weird way is because it really became like a creator driven thing. It’s a Tom Har, Tom Hardy.

[00:14:09] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s an au an auteur driven movie.

[00:14:11] Paul Scheer: It really is.

[00:14:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Sadly, Tom Hardy is the auteur who’s absolutely out of his mind, and I love it.

[00:14:17] Paul Scheer: Uh, do you wanna read this next one? This is, uh, from Hang on man.

[00:14:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. This is from Hang on Man.

[00:14:22] “Jason joked about the White Lotus Brothers in this episode, and it turns out Kraven actually does have a White Lotus connection. Alessandra Nivola, AKA, the Rhino is the father of Sam Nivola AKA. The white Lotus younger brother Lachlan Ratliff. Now, that’s what I call capital S synergy.”

[00:14:41] Okay. Heynongman. Uh, first of all, capital S. Why synergy? Is it a proper nay? Is it a noun? What, why, why Capital S synergy. Okay. And yes of this is a classic di Disconnect Discord question. I don’t need to be to, this is just, this is information. This is not.

[00:14:58] Paul Scheer: Right. It has nothing to do with the joke.

[00:14:59] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s not a real gotcha. You know, it’s got, ha ha. Did you know this? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we know that Sam Nivola is the child of Alessandra Nivola and, uh, the actress Emily Mortimer, uh, one of the true greats. Um, I love her and I thought the kid was great. I thought, I thought, um, I thought all the Nepo babies were great in, uh, White Lotus.

[00:15:17] I thought, uh, Schwarzenegger was fantastic.

[00:15:20] Paul Scheer: I gotta watch. I’ve never seen it, never seen a single episode.

[00:15:22] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s, it’s a, it’s so fun. It’s so, it’s,

[00:15:24] Paul Scheer: I gotta get into it.

[00:15:25] Jason Mantzoukas: You will enjoy it as a, here’s what I’ll say. Sometimes the, the monocultural show.

[00:15:31] Paul Scheer: Right.

[00:15:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Can feel at times like a weight.

[00:15:34] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:15:35] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, like, ugh, I gotta watch this intense, like, Adolescence feels like that to me right now.

[00:15:40] Paul Scheer: I, yeah, same.

[00:15:40] Jason Mantzoukas: And I have not watched it yet because I’m like, okay, I know this is gonna be intense and difficult.

[00:15:46] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:15:46] Jason Mantzoukas: And it’s a, it’s gonna be a incredible and, and, and a feat of production to do these wonders. And that’s cool. But I know the subject matter is tough.

[00:15:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:15:55] Jason Mantzoukas: But the White Lotus the opposite. It is a, it’s breezy, baby. It’s fun as hell.

[00:16:01] Paul Scheer: I love it. All right, so let’s go to the phones. Jesse, what do you got?

[00:16:03] Listener: Hi, Paul and folks, Jesse here. I love the craving episode, but there’s an omission from the comics I wish y’all had brought up, and that’s that period in the book when the original Kraven was dead. And his son took over and then became a movie producer, and they did a whole get shorty esque parody and a story where Kraven hung out with Jay Leno. It was during the early two thousands written by the late Ron Zimmerman. I think, I think that would’ve made it for a better movie. Thanks. Bye.

[00:16:27] Paul Scheer: Whoa. First of all.

[00:16:29] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s funny.

[00:16:29] Paul Scheer: I, I’m gonna get, it’s called Get Kraven.

[00:16:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Get Kraven. Yeah.

[00:16:33] Paul Scheer: Oh. Oh, wow.

[00:16:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t know this book.

[00:16:35] Paul Scheer: I may have to get that. I like this all great. That’s a, now that’s information that I like. Just because I’m like, okay, I’m on board with that. And also you left it in a great way, Jesse.

[00:16:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, also like, that to me isn’t like you idiots. You didn’t say the thing. It’s like, Hey, you talked about this. Yeah. Maybe you’d also like this thing. I love a recommendation.

[00:16:54] Paul Scheer: That’s a good one.

[00:16:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Fun as hell.

[00:16:56] Scott Sonne: I, I did a little research on that book. It’s kind of universally accept it as, as being terrible. But an interesting thing is.

[00:17:02] Jason Mantzoukas: So you’re saying our fans have absolute knowledge of terrible comics runs as well as terrible movies.

[00:17:09] Paul Scheer: Who would’ve, who would’ve thought?

[00:17:10] Scott Sonne: Um, but the interesting thing is it has two movie Executive Brothers called The Rothsteins that are clearly, oh boy, takeoffs of the Weinsteins. And like in the book, they were called out for kind of being like, piece of shit rapists.

[00:17:24] Paul Scheer: Whoa.

[00:17:24] Scott Sonne: Way back, way back in 2002, like before any of it came out public. So I don’t know.

[00:17:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Get Kraven.

[00:17:30] Paul Scheer: Kraven. Kraven. Kraven is, uh, is, is really leading, led the Me Too movement in a way.

[00:17:35] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, yes. Yep, yep. Kraven. Yeah. That’s where, that’s where it all started with Kraven.

[00:17:39] Paul Scheer: All right. Kate from Austin, what do you got?

[00:17:42] Listener: Hey, uh, this is Kate from Austin, not the one from White Lotus. Um, I was just at your Austin, Texas show, and I just wanted to touch on the Rhino does this shreak. And I really thought y’all were gonna talk about it and, and you didn’t. And I would just love to hear what you have to say about that. Huge, huge choice. Thank you guys for coming to Texas. Have a good night.

[00:18:06] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, look, this is something that I was bummed that we did not play the shreak. Let’s hear the sh.

[00:18:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. I don’t remember it.

[00:18:12] Paul Scheer: Here. You’ll love it.

[00:18:15] Listener: The Kravinoff hit failed. All of our guys are dead.

[00:18:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Huh? Yeah.

[00:18:27] Paul Scheer: Choice.

[00:18:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I guess I kind of remember that. Yeah, that was, that’s fun. We should have played that. That’s fun.

[00:18:32] Paul Scheer: He does also has another like, ah, like at the end, right before he gets killed, like he, oh, I like that. He is vocalizing like an animal in a way.

[00:18:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I like that too. Uh, you know, like, I feel like, uh, I feel like Nivola is doing as much as he can with a character who unfortunately spends very little time in his scary monstrous form as the rhino, and for the most part looks like a tech bro in a backpack, you know?

[00:18:59] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:18:59] Jason Mantzoukas: So where he can be weird. I enjoy him being weird.

[00:19:02] Paul Scheer: I think the movie, it’s a bummer because. It’s just hard. It’s hard to, I think it’s hard to find your angle in, in a movie like this, where he has to not be the villain for the majority of the film.

[00:19:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:19:16] Paul Scheer: I mean, that’s the thing. He’s gotta be, like you said, the tech bro who is not. It doesn’t even seem like there’s nothing even fun with that. Like I’d love to seem like a more of like a Steve Jobs guy. He’s just, he’s an, he’s an angry tech bro and then he is like a angry rhino. It’s a hard, there’s not enough variation. I don’t blame him.

[00:19:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, I agree completely. I agree completely. It’s just none of it works.

[00:19:36] Paul Scheer: Uh, let’s do one more phone call here. What have we got here?

[00:19:39] Listener: Hey Paul. Maybe Jason. Just finished the Hunter episode. One thing I noticed when I was watching it, I don’t know if I’m crazy or not, but it definitely seems like they had the CGI mouth on some of the characters, like maybe they changed some lines and they put the CGI mouth that looks like they were about to float it off. It was most noticeable in the scene when they’re at the sexless nature cabin talking toso and it looks like their lips are about to come off their face.

[00:20:07] Movie Audio: Exactly. Look at what you became.

[00:20:10] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.

[00:20:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah, yeah. Big time.

[00:20:13] Movie Audio: Look at what you became.

[00:20:14] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So that’s really interesting.

[00:20:15] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s bad. So this is a big AI thing right now. So one of the, one of the, um, uses for AI that they’re talking about coming in and using pinpoint AI stuff is to go in and change the mouth shapes for shows that are like, say you wanna watch Dark, the German show dark, right?

[00:20:37] And you’re like, oh, but I don’t wanna watch the clunky dub of it and I don’t wanna watch it in German. There are now going to be AI filters that will make the mouth shapes match whatever language is being used in the show.

[00:20:49] Paul Scheer: Oh, you know, I saw this thing thing.

[00:20:50] Jason Mantzoukas: So I think this is an early attempt at something. I don’t know that this was AI to be clear. But that’s what they’re trying to do is change mouth shapes.

[00:20:57] Paul Scheer: Well, here’s what I’ll say too. I know for a fact I won’t name the person. Very famous person, very hands-on, uh, auteur, not Tom Hardy, uh, who

[00:21:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Stallone?

[00:21:08] Paul Scheer: Yes. Uh, no. Who, uh, will in editing have a green screen set up and they will literally get. That person’s mouth to pop it in. It’s like, you know, so it could even be that person’s mouth. It’s an odd, that does look weird.

[00:21:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah, that one looks very weird.

[00:21:27] Paul Scheer: But yeah, like unnerving. The other one that I thought was really upsetting, and this is different, but that, remember that show Different World, the spinoff of the Cosby Show?

[00:21:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure. Yeah.

[00:21:36] Paul Scheer: They AI upgraded it for Netflix. What and when to make the resolution higher because they have to make the resolution better. Um, and if you look at any of the writing on the wall, it’s all that weird ai, you know, ’cause it doesn’t, they can’t write text the right way. It’s. Bonkers.

[00:21:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, weird.

[00:21:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So if you look at a Different World in, you know, whatever resolution is on Netflix, you can see how weird the 4K, uh, AI upressing. Is. It’s really, really weird. Okay. Uh, yeah. Alright. Alright. Uh, back to Discord. Uh, Sean Mc B writes.

[00:22:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Back to the discord?

[00:22:11] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Gotta go back.

[00:22:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I feel I felt so good being away from it.

[00:22:14] Paul Scheer: I know for a second we had some voicemails.

[00:22:16] Jason Mantzoukas: And now I’m plunged back into the cesspool that is the Discord.

[00:22:20] Paul Scheer: Well, sean’s gonna give us some more, uh, villain gripes.

[00:22:23] “Well, I understand Sony was setting up chameleon for a role in a future movie. I found it super irritating that his mimicry was established multiple times throughout the movie, but never paid off in the course of the story. It was clearly there just to establish another villain, which feels cheap. If his mimicry had come into play at the end to facilitate even something as simple as deceiving a henchman, it would’ve been so much more rewarding.

[00:22:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Agree.

[00:22:44] Paul Scheer: I agree with that. I think that that is an interesting, weird choice because he is singing Tony Bennett and I don’t even wanna get into the Tony Bennett.

[00:22:50] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m not, I won’t.

[00:22:50] Paul Scheer: Wow. People have been like, I thought I could figure it out, and I’m lost. Like, I’ve seen so many comments. People were lost by that. Uh, yeah. So. Good. Good point Again. Good point. Yeah, good point.

[00:23:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I mean, I think you’re pointing at a larger problem, which is that the story doesn’t really add up, you know? Um, but that character, he is the chameleon. He is, uh, Kraven’s brother. So having him there made sense. It just was, yeah, why not use it?

[00:23:15] Paul Scheer: I mean, there we go. Did you want to, do you even wanna read one more in here? What do you think it says?

[00:23:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Jason, you wanna read one more?

[00:23:20] Paul Scheer: There it is.

[00:23:21] Jason Mantzoukas: No, I don’t, but uh, I guess I have to. Um, okay, so this is from, Ayefed..

[00:23:28] A-Y-E-F-E-D.

[00:23:29] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:23:30] Jason Mantzoukas: “When the Rhino first reveals that he signed up for scientific study to increase strength, he reveals that his skin became tough and gray as an adverse reaction. But did anyone notice the all caps Fucking rhino horns on the top of his head. Question mark, exclamation point. How does even the most poorly administered in dangerous scientific study. Not only mess with his skin, but also give him rhinoceros horns. I couldn’t stop laughing out loud. It was like a child invented the character and the backstory also, does that mean there are hundreds of other people out there that also took the study and now have rhinoceros parts?”

[00:24:07] Question mark, exclamation point.

[00:24:09] Paul Scheer: Well, now this I like only because that’s how they didn’t kill off the rhino. We just met one rhino. I think.

[00:24:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yeah. And I also think much in the same way that comics, nobody ever really dies. I think if they were to have a movie, uh, and uh, the, this Rhino came back, they would no problem. That’s fine. Like I, I don’t think anybody ever really dies in comic book movies, uh, the same way that they don’t really die in comic books themselves. Anyway, um, my guess to this, uh, uh, writer is that I suspect he noticed the rhinoceros horns. Uh, to be clear, and, and my suspicion is that the, uh, the scientist was using rhinoceros part DNA or something because they have such hard skin in an effort to, to increase the strength, and then the rest of it came along with it.

[00:24:54] Paul Scheer: That’s, I I can tell you, yeah. The scientists on this movie, that was the only thing that was really done on the level. This is true. Like that would actually happen, so.

[00:25:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm.

[00:25:01] Paul Scheer: Uh, I just want everyone to know, like, don’t question science.

[00:25:03] Jason Mantzoukas: All the science checks out. Science checks checked. It checks, we checked it. The science checks out.

[00:25:06] Paul Scheer: Now, Jason, I know that you wouldn’t want to even reward people for writing in their comments but

[00:25:11] Jason Mantzoukas: I’d rather they wouldn’t.

[00:25:12] Paul Scheer: Yeah, if you had, well, this is, well, you know, this is, this helps everybody get through the weeks here. Uh, if you had to pick a winner though, who you think came in the hottest here, was it?

[00:25:19] Jason Mantzoukas: I know who’s the loser is, it’s you and I. It’s you and me. Um, uh, uh, uh, I, I don’t know who the winner is. What are we talking about? I mean, what Jesse?

[00:25:29] Paul Scheer: I, I, I would say Jesse to me.

[00:25:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Jesse from the who gave us the comics run?

[00:25:33] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:25:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I like someone who’s giving a recommendation. An earnest recommendation for what I’m now told is a terrible comics run.

[00:25:41] Paul Scheer: Uh, you get this amazing song from Seth Chatfield. Hit it, Seth.

[00:25:45] Music: [Winner’s Song]

[00:25:46] Paul Scheer: Now, by the way, uh, there’s a new way to submit songs. It’s on the HDTGM.com website. Go there, submit your songs there, you just drop it in the Dropbox. Easy peasy. Done. Keep ’em short. Alright? Remember, if you wanna chime in with your thoughts, uh, and remember, you know, they have to hold up to Jason’s, uh, you know, uh,

[00:26:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Scrutiny.

[00:26:04] Paul Scheer: Yeah, exactly. Uh, you could do it at Discord.gg/HDTGM or call us at 619 P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That’s 6 1 9 Paul Ask. Okay. Coming up after the break, Jason and I will announce next week’s movie. But first, take a listen to this bonus, Second Opinion song from our Kraven the Hunter Live show.

[00:26:22] Now it’s time for second opinions.

[00:26:27] Audience Member: Hello, I’m Jamie.

[00:26:30] Jason Mantzoukas: You can turn around. You can turn around if you want to face the, the, the crowd rather than us.

[00:26:34] Audience Member: This means a lot to me. You guys are hilarious and beautiful and amazing, and please run for office ASAP. These, these ones. You guys can, it’s optional, but ideally the middle. Okay.

[00:26:48] Jason Mantzoukas: I’ve been told I’m unelectable.

[00:26:52] Paul Scheer: But if you grow out that hair,

[00:26:53] Jessica St. Clair: Get that hair cut. Woo.

[00:26:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. Wax me down and I’m, I’m good. I’m good to go.

[00:27:00] Audience Member: He is got the blood of a lion or vampire. Is this just Twilight? Because he hunts like Edward, but he’s really bad at parkour. Falling off buildings. Are lions immortal?. Why doesn’t he ever roar?.

[00:27:26] Paul Scheer: Woo.

[00:27:27] June Diane Raphael: Wow.

[00:27:29] Paul Scheer: Amazing. Way to go, Texas. Thank you so much.

[00:27:33] Audience Member: Call your representatives please.

[00:27:37] Paul Scheer: Alright, if you are looking for a companion piece, if you need a little extra, How Did This Get Made every, uh, Tuesday we re-release old episodes. Uh, this week’s matinee was Tough Turf with James Spader and uh, next week will be Return of Xandr Cage with Adam Scott. We gotta get Adam Scott back on.

[00:27:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. We gotta. Fanta, my, one of my favorite episodes of TV this year is the, uh, Golden Globes episode of the studio. Oh, I haven’t seen that one yet. The Seth, Seth and Evans Show.

[00:28:06] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:28:06] Jason Mantzoukas: The studio on Apple tv. Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg’s show, uh, with Pete and Alex. Uh, and there’s an episode, I can’t remember what number it is, that it takes place entirely at the Golden Globes, and it is,

[00:28:17] Paul Scheer: I think you are way ahead of us.

[00:28:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Fantastic. And Adam Scott. I, I say that because Adam Scott features prominently.

[00:28:23] Paul Scheer: I cannot wait. Uh, I love the episode with the missing reel, where they’re going around.

[00:28:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:28:28] Paul Scheer: Like the Detective story and the camera work on that is like, it’s great.

[00:28:31] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s so good.

[00:28:31] Paul Scheer: Seth has been been posting all these clips online of how they do some of these shots.

[00:28:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Oh, that’s cool.

[00:28:36] Paul Scheer: Like that drone shot in the beginning of that one episode that flies over.

[00:28:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, the parking, the parking structure that ends at the parking structure. Great.

[00:28:43] Paul Scheer: Yep. So good. Anyway, uh, check out The Studio and also, by the way, maybe Seth, maybe Adam, maybe we do a, uh. A real, uh, superstar episode on May 21st at Largo, we’re doing a How Did This Get Made and friends. So, Jason and myself, and a question mark. We don’t know who it’ll be, but that will be at Largo May 21st.

[00:29:00] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s gonna be like the masked singer.

[00:29:02] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:29:02] Jason Mantzoukas: The, the guest will be dressed as a question mark. And, uh, and you’ve got, I guess who it is. It, there’ll be the voice modulation, the whole deal.

[00:29:10] Paul Scheer: The whole thing. It’s gonna be there. Now anyway, uh, next week on this show, what you’re gonna get is if you love, uh, Kraven the hunter’s muscular abs, then brace yourself for two times the amount of shirtless abdominals. ‘Cause next week we are watching the 1992 Buddy Cop film, Double Trouble. Oh man, I’m so excited about these guys.

[00:29:25] Jason Mantzoukas: This was, this was an incredible surprise to me.

[00:29:29] Paul Scheer: Peter Paul and David Paul. Where have you been?

[00:29:31] Jason Mantzoukas: These are my Paul brothers.

[00:29:33] Paul Scheer: And by the way, Scott, make a mental note of this, this we have to do their other films. They have two other films, one where they’re nannies and one where they’re in, like, uh, they’re like, it’s like a Conan movie. I, I wanna do ’em all.

[00:29:45] Uh, anyway, a short breakdown to the plot is a criminal and a cop who also happened to be twin brothers, must put aside their differences to work together to take down a jewel smuggling ring.

[00:29:54] Now there are zero reviews of Double Trouble on Rotten Tomatoes, which is a crime. Uh, so we’ll turn to Letterbox and Justin Decloy, who writes,

[00:30:03] “I watched this film hoping to witness two muscle bound doofises bickering with each other, lifting heavy things and making jokes about being twins while the goofiest comedy music played throughout. And yes, this satisfied all those requirements.”

[00:30:16] Jason Mantzoukas: True it, it’s got all that and.

[00:30:18] Paul Scheer: I love it all.

[00:30:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, this one was fun to watch.

[00:30:20] Paul Scheer: I love it. Let’s do the trailer.

[00:30:22] Trailer Audio: When David Jade became a cop, he was ready for the danger.

[00:30:31] Ready for the violence.

[00:30:36] The only thing he wasn’t ready for.

[00:30:38] Freeze.

[00:30:41] Peter?

[00:30:41] Was his twin brother.

[00:30:44] You got all the bad chromosomes, not me.

[00:30:46] Come on man. This isn’t funny.

[00:30:48] Paul Scheer: Okay, you could stream Double Trouble on Amazon Prime, FUBU, Teevee MGM Plus, and Philo. Now, this is usually when I’ll tell you to check out your local libraries, free digital media services like Hoopla, Libby, and Canopy.

[00:31:00] But instead, I wanna play one last phone call that we received in our voicemail line this week from our friend in DC.

[00:31:06] Listener: Hi Paul. I’m a federal archivist in Washington DC and I wanted to bring your attention to something affecting libraries across the country. One of the agencies completely gutted in the DOGE attacks and cuts on the humanities and public access to credible sources is IMLS, the Institute for Museum and Library Services. You can read more about how the whole staff has been put on leave and how grants have been terminated across the country and all the major news sources, but I’m not sure people understand how much of their local library funding might come from these grants distributed by this incredible agency.

[00:31:36] Most state budgets are also reducing funding for public libraries for many library services. Systems, digital services like Hoopla and Libby have been the first on the chopping blocks, so unfortunately this means less HDTGM movies available, which is a tragedy, but it’s also, unfortunately cutting off a lifeline for home bound and senior folks.

[00:31:56] The cuts to public service have been horrific across the board, but I thought this might be something you could speak out on in particular. And please come back and see us again in DC. We really need your cheer in these dark times. Thank you so much.

[00:32:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.

[00:32:10] Paul Scheer: This is, I mean, what more to say than this is such a.

[00:32:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Heartbreaking.

[00:32:13] Paul Scheer: Heartbreaking. And because the libraries are, and we love our librarians, we love, I mean, I’ve, I went to this amazing event in a library, uh, outside of Austin. I had such an amazing time. What libraries do for communities and for people are, are so important. And if you wanna help, uh, because things are at stake. It’s not just it, it, this is like stuff that’s gonna affect so many people. You can write, uh, members of Congress. We’re gonna put a link in this episode in the show notes. You can basically, you know, they give you a script, they give you a template letter to write, to make it as easy as possible just to reach out, to tell people you want your libraries. Uh. And the site. Also a link to the American Library Association pages where you can sign a petition and share your library stories that they can use in their advocacy campaign.

[00:32:54]

[00:32:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Maybe reach out to your local libraries and see what they need or what’s going on. You know, there’s, there’s a lot going on locally, I feel like for your library. And if you are in Boise, remember? Your library has an exclamation point on at the end of it.

[00:33:07] Library!

[00:33:08] Paul Scheer: Library! So anyway, uh, let’s help our librarians, let’s help our libraries. We need to keep information open, but uh, more importantly, we need to have public spaces where people can go. And I think that’s one of the things I’ve learned so much with release of my book and talking to librarians. It’s like libraries are a community center, uh, for internet access for, I mean, look, I was walking around in the library and people were just watching Instagram videos. I’m like, this is great.

[00:33:32] Jason Mantzoukas: No, and you need, and, and like the, the, the caller says, you know, like, if you are a fan of this show, so much of what we cover, so many of the movies are available through your library, through these portals that the library subscribed to. You can get ebooks, you can get audio books. I get audio books from the library and that’s a great way to listen.

[00:33:53] Paul Scheer: Love it.

[00:33:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Audiobooks, you know?

[00:33:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah, my Libby app is amazing. Anyway, uh, support your libraries and get ready for Double Trouble next week. Jason, thank you for joining me. Disconnect the Discord right?

[00:34:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Disconnect the Discord.