March 29, 2023

EP. 311 — Whose Land Is This Land? with Dr. Elizabeth Rule

This week, we’re touring Washington, DC, to learn how the nation’s capital is a Native capital—with returning guest Dr. Elizabeth Rule! She and Jonathan explore the city’s significance for the 574 tribal nations in the US today and spotlight Indigenous art, architecture, and activism. Put on your walking shoes and join us for a journey that’ll change how you see the city, and the United States.

Elizabeth Rule, PhD (enrolled citizen, Chickasaw Nation) is an Assistant Professor of Critical Race, Gender, and Culture Studies, and a Social Impact Resident Fellow with the Kennedy Center. Her book, Indigenous DC: Native Peoples and the Nation’s Capital (Georgetown University Press, 2023), analyzes historical and contemporary sites of Indigenous importance in Washington, DC. Rule is also the founder of the Guide to Indigenous Lands Project and creator of the Guide to Indigenous DC (2019), Guide to Indigenous Baltimore (2021), and Guide to Indigenous Maryland (2022) digital maps and mobile applications.

You can follow Dr. Rule on Twitter and TikTok at @ERuleDC, on Instagram @ERule.DC, and at And make sure to pre-order Indigenous DC, out in April from Georgetown University Press.

Keep up with all things Guide To Indigenous DC on Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook at @IndigenousDC. For the apps and Indigenous DC merch, head to

And check out Elizabeth’s first appearance on the show here!

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Our executive producer is Erica Getto. Our editor is Andrew Carson. Production support from Julie Carrillo, Chris McClure, and Erin McKeon.


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Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness & Elizabeth Rule   JVN [00:00:00] Welcome to Getting Curious. I’m Jonathan Van Ness and every week I sit down for a gorgeous conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious. On today’s episode, we are joined once more by a guest who I love so much: Elizabeth Rule, where I ask her: How is Washington, DC, a Native capital? Welcome to Getting Curious. This is Jonathan Van Ness and we have the most exciting returning guest who we love so much who, like, I just really do adore you. I learned so much and I’m so excited because you’ve done so much since we saw you back. So without any further ado, welcome back to the show, Dr. Elizabeth Rule, honey. Also I just need to preface you guys, and I don’t want to be, like, you know, rude to any previous guests’ earrings, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen this beautiful of earrings, like, ever in our Getting Curious history. And they

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