July 20, 2023
Jason & Paul relive their Joni Mitchell concert experience, Paul digs into corrections and omissions from both Hypnotic & Sleepover, shares a bonus scene from the Hypnotic live show, and announces next week’s movie.
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323.5 — Last Looks: Hypnotic & Sleepover
Paul Scheer [00:00:00] Joni Mitchell, safety deposit box keys and what the hell does plush mean? All this and more on a brand new How Did This Get Made Last Looks. Places everybody! Hit the theme.
Music [00:00:13] [Intro Song]
Paul Scheer [00:00:31] Hello, all you plush division actors. I’m your host Paul Scheer and welcome to this special supersized edition of How Did This Get Made Last Looks. That’s right. It’s super sized because we took a little bit of a hiatus over the July 4th week, and today I’m going to address your issues on both Hypnotic and Sleepover. That’s right. This is our Barbieheimer. We are combining two very diverse movies. I’m going to talk about them here on the show. By the way. I don’t get all the talk about the Barbieheimer. Like I get it. In a general sense, but I feel like we don’t have that much to talk about that were so excited or weird out about how to watch these movies. We have such an allegiance to both things. Here is a clip I want to play for you of Tom Cruise being asked this question on a press line for his own movie, which movie he was going to see first. Everyone’s buying tickets for their own movies. I know we want to save movie theaters, but truly, it’s gone out of hand. Listen to Tom Cruise. Have a little bit of a meltdown.
Interviewer [00:01:36] Are you going to watch Barbie or Oppenheimer first?
Tom Cruise [00:01:39] Oh, yeah. No.
Interviewer [00:01:40] If you had to choose one because there’s a bit of a debate.
Tom Cruise [00:01:42] Oh, what’s great is you’re going to see both on the weekend. I think it’s like, you know, I haven’t quite decided, probably be like Oppenheimer first and then Barbie, I think. I think it’s like you want like Oppenheimer is going to be on a on a Friday, do you know what I mean? And then you can go, I’ll probably see it in the afternoon you want that packed audience. And then I want to see Barbie right afterwards with a packed audience. So Friday is like, you know, I used to plan my days where you start out early in the morning and you go to movies all day and I like doing that, you know, And I’d go from one cinema to the next, and I’m going to do that. So I’m going to see them both, both opening day.
Interviewer [00:02:19] I think that’s good advice.
Paul Scheer [00:02:20] I feel like in that clip, Tom Cruise was trying to say, Oh, I want to see Oppenheimer first because it’s going to bum me out and then Barbie’s going to lift me up. But I feel like he caught himself in the middle of that and then tried to basically say he was going to watch one with his right eye and one with his left eye simultaneously. Anyway, I don’t mean to take any any shots on the great on the great cinema choices that we have, even though we are on strike right now. That’s right. Writers, actors. We are on strike. And we may have some changes to the show, but nothing that you probably will notice. So I probably shouldn’t even have mentioned it. But if we are talking about changes, there’s a big one that just happened and has nothing to do with anything I just talked about Stitcher Premium is gone, it’s done and it’s a shock to me as much as it probably is to you. A lot of people have been asking, Well, what do I do? I, I will pay for your back catalog. And I’m just going to say we don’t know what we’re going to do yet. What we are planning on doing is opening up a lot more episodes that are available right now. We’re still going to do our matinee Mondays and we want you to voice what episodes you want to hear in those matinee Mondays. We’re not going to pull out the entire catalog just yet. We have to figure out a plan. We were caught and now we’re going to figure it out. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but when I do, I will tell you what the plan is. Now. Enough about that. Besides talking about Hypnotic and Sleepover, we also are going to go deep because Jason, June, and I, we took a weekend together. We didn’t go on tour, we didn’t do anything. But we all went up to see Joni Mitchell and her first ticketed event in over 20 years. It was magical. Jason and I, we’ll talk about that amazing weekend and we’re going to talk about next week’s movie. Plus, we have an exclusive bonus scene, which we will play at the end of the episode. But first things first, a big shout out to Andy Jacob for that amazing theme song. Thank you, Andy. We love these songs. If you have a last Look’s theme song, send it to HowDidThisGetMade@Earwolf.com. But but keep them short 15-20 seconds. Live in that world. Brevity, soul of wit. Anyway, just a heads up. We are going on tour. New Jersey. I’m looking at you. We added that date late. We’re going to be in Red Bank New Jersey. Tell your friends, tell your family we might even have a very special guest if what I’m working on comes through. Oh, boy, You’re not going to want to miss it. We also have a special guest on our first night in Boston. And I’m going to say this person is a How Did This Get Made all star. So every night is a great night. Limited tickets are available. I think that we’re almost at 97% at every theater so so close to selling out but there are still just a few seats left everywhere but New Jersey. I’m looking at you. Red Bank. Get the word out. Tell your friends. Come on, people. You’re down at the Jersey Shore. Come, go see. How Did This Get Made. They’re bunch of good kids. Anyway, let’s get into it. During our last two episodes, we talked at length about Hypnotic and Sleepover. We had questions and we might have even missed a few things. Here’s your chance to set a straight fact check us, if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions. Hit the theme.
Music [00:06:13] [Corrections and Omissions Song]
Paul Scheer [00:06:18] Wow. I love this name. Thank you, Brash Menagerie, for that great tune. First up, let’s talk about Hypnotic. We’re not going to be so scattered that I’ll just go back and forth between Hypnotic and Sleepover questions That would be confusing. We’re going to focus first on the Ben Affleck Robert Rodriguez film, Hypnotic, a film that according to Discord user Bubble Alchemist should have had the tagline, “You actually really like this movie.” I guess. I like it. Anyway, thank you, Bubble Alchemist, for that alt tagline. Let’s go to the Discord. GT75 writes, “As a banker, the robbery scene was driving me nuts. Safe deposit boxes require two keys to open. There’s a guard key which the bank employees have and use with all deposit boxes. And then there is a customer key for each box that only the customer has. When the box gets rented out, stealing a manager’s keys would have been useless for Ben Affleck. Short of breaking into the client’s home to steal the customer key, there would be no way for the teller to steal the box. I know it’s a construct, but it is one that could not have taken place at all.” Well, I guess what you’re saying is GT75, the memory writers, the construct builders were shitty writers. They didn’t do their research. They didn’t do their Nolan esque research into how a bank works. And I guess on top of that, Ben Affleck is dumb enough to just go along with it. Anyway, Chunk style, that’s Mitch Cappa writes, “Since the construct starts out with Ben Affleck thinking they’re in Austin, then they flee to Mexico. Does that mean in reality they had to drive around in circles in a golf cart for 4 hours? And did that Hypnotics give Affleck and Braga some sort of privacy when they hooked up, or did they Hypnotics watch like perves from that balcony?” Oh, Mitch, you know that everyone was watching that hookup. I mean, it’s gross. I mean, they’re Hypnotics. That’s how they get off. You know, they get off by watching. That is like their only fans. Setting up a construct and watching people fuck is Hypnotics only fans. It’s a part of the movie that they really want to get in there, but they ran out of time. I’m so sorry. Sean McBee writes, “The inherent flaw with the entire movie is that what the division wants is for Ben Affleck to figure out who Lev Delran is. So the division constructs a scenario in which they tell him that William Fichtner is Liev Delran. Then, rather than looking for the actual location of his daughter, he spends his time in the scenario looking for William Fichtner. Furthermore, they don’t want him to realize that he’s a Hypnotic, Why introduce a concept of Hypnotics in the scenario at all?” Why did, I even think about that. “Why not have a straightforward mystery for him to solve around figuring out Liev Delran, which totally sounds like a normal and real name that a human person would have without any of the division Hypnotic stuff.” Yes, you’re right. Why not just say, here is a clue that we have, it’s a picture of a missing girl. It says Liev del Rain. What does that mean? God, this movie is dumb. Anyway. Let’s go to the phones. Mike from San Diego.
Listener [00:09:33] Hey, Paul, June and Jason. Love everything you do. This is Mike from San Diego originally, El Segundo. There’s an obvious connection that nobody talked about, about Hypnotic and your first quarantine movie, Bloodshot. They’re basically the same movie. Both protagonists are under simulation by an evil corporation to do their bidding. You know, Vin is trying to, he thinks you try to find the person who kills his wife, but really he’s bumping off Guy Pearce’s competition. And then Affleck, you know, trying to find his hidden daughter. Anyway, I thought it was a great connection or omission that was no one brought up. Thanks for everything you do.
Paul Scheer [00:10:16] You are exactly right. You know, look, I love Vin Diesel, and I think Vin Diesel did a great job. There’s been a lot of movies that have similar plots. But if you asked me to describe the movie Bloodshot, I would not have remembered it at all. You brought it all back to me. Wow. Look at that. Look at that drafting of Bloodshot. I remember Bloodshot was like the first movie that came out straight to VOD during COVID and everyone bought it. Everyone’s like, Yeah, baby bloodshot. And you’re like, Oh, okay. It could have it could have been something. That and Wonder Woman 84 really, really were blows to the to the system is like, oh, I get access to this stuff but it’s not good. Not good. Anyway, so many great Hypnotic corrections and omissions. But coming up after the break, we’ve got more questions, more comments, more concerns about Sleepover. Stick around.
Paul Scheer [00:11:18] Welcome back, people. Before we get into the Sleepover last looks, let me just tell you, I’m a part of this amazing organization called the Union Solidarity Coalition. Like I mentioned, Hollywood is on strike right now. And the people that are not going to be affected by our new contracts once they finally happen are our crew members. That’s right. Teamster and IATSE brothers and sisters who have stood with us in solidarity are going to lose their health care because they are not getting the hours to work because all productions are shut down. So me and a group of people got together to form the Union Solidarity Coalition, which is going to try to find some union solidarity and raise some money for people affected by the strike. We just had an event last weekend where we raised over $195,000, $195,000 for our IATSE and Teamster crew. And now we’re continuing to raise money by starting an amazing auction. This auction is a celebrity auction like no other. You can have Nick Kroll call you in the voice of one of your favorite characters. I will pick your fantasy draft order. You can go on a walk with June Diane Raphael, you can eat corn dogs with Brett Gelman from Stranger Things. He plays Murray. You can get a vase from Seth Rogen, Smoke weed with Woody Harrelson. Justine Bateman has products that she’s knitted. Lena Dunham has a quilted bikini up there. There are so many great things. If you’re a fan of the Arrowverse, you know, the CW show Arrow, Marc Guggenheim will do an hour long zoom with you. Maggie Gyllenhaal is going to do a Zoom. Weird Al Yankovic, Daniel Radcliffe. All these people have given up such great stuff, not to mention autographed Spider-Man posters and Spaceballs posters. It is truly a wealth of great, great stuff, and 100% of the proceeds go to the motion Picture television Fund health care. So we can take care of our crew members who stand in solidarity with us. Now back to the show. All right. Welcome back. We’ve left Hypnotic in the past. Time to delve into corrections and omissions for the movie Sleepover, a movie that, according to Discord user Anna Smithsonian could have had the tagline of “Sleepover: not police approved.” Okay, If y’all remember, police approve. That was the the the dating site that the girls were on where they had to police approved dating site. Anyway. Thank you, Anna Smithsonian for that alt tagline. Let’s go to the discord. Danimal, what do you got? “So many of the cringing moments from the film were talked about in this episode. But there was one I noticed that went unmentioned. When the girls arrive at the high school dance, one of the teachers gets on stage and makes this announcement ‘Almost time for the big dance contest. And remember, anything goes. So just pretend that Mrs. Withers and I aren’t here.’ What is with the creepy teachers in this town?” You’re right. I didn’t even think about that. That’s so bizarre. That’s like milk money bazaar. Remember what happened to milk money at that end? Dance with Terence Stamp and Melanie Griffith. These kids. No wonder Footloose came out. They need to control these kids. Dancing is evil. Dennis C Abrams writes “Our hosts.” On our hosts. Very formal, Dennis. “Our host talked about the barefootness and the skateboarding, but not the barefoot downhill, high speed skateboarding. How could she have stopped or slowed down that skateboard without losing all the skin on her feet?” Dennis Abrams You are so right. That’s our die hard moment. That’s why we get connected to that character, because her feet are all torn up. We, you know what, we all want to Sleepover, but we all know that you’ll do anything to get it. And one of the things you’ll do is rip off the bottom soles your feet. Also, maybe she’s just super fucking calloused. Maybe she just wears too tight shoes. Maybe she wasn’t affected at all. And that’s a whole other movie anyway. Dr. Guts 1003 writes, “Perhaps this is included in Paul’s timeline and not just mentioned in the episode, but from the moment Jane Lynch leaves the house for the night, it is pitch black outside. The movie takes place in June. There should still be some sunlight until 9/9:30.” Well, Dr. Guts, I think you’re wrong. I think you’re wrong because that may just be where you live. Not like just in general. 9/9:30. I don’t think it’s is not that bright out here in L.A. at 9/9:30. Somebody fact check that. Not me. All right. Let’s go to the phones. First up, Julianna from New York.
Listener [00:15:59] For this, Julianna from New York. But I also traveled all the way to New Orleans to see your show, the hard target show. Loved it. I had a question because Sleepover is one of my favorite movies. I watched it when I was a kid. I think I was around eight when it came out. And I thought, if you would ask me then, I would have told you it was a perfect movie. I rewatched it before the show and obviously I realized it was not. It was very corny, but I do have a couple questions. First of all, what is plush? I mean, I’ve never heard that term in the 2000s. And also I only associate that with mattresses. So I thought that was odd. And second of all, did no one else think it was creepy that the fact that he just showed up in the tree. First of all, how do you get up there? Because that thing like collapsed on top of the house. And second of all, I just thought it was a little odd and creepy, but anyway, thanks so much. Love the show. Can’t wait to see the New York show. I’m very excited and bye.
Paul Scheer [00:17:00] Well, Julianna, I don’t know. I mean, plush, the way that I’ve heard it referred to could be, like, thick. But if I look online, plush also means and this is the slang term, smart, comfortable, expensive. All right. So that feels more more in line, right? So plush could also be like hot, awesome, fat, cool, dope, slick, ill, neat, good. Soft and fluffy? Stuffed animal or stuffed toy or just a nice way of saying a larger person. So there you go. That’s what they say. I like plush as being expensive. I feel like that feels like in the tone of the film. All right. Wow. So many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one that is the best. And boy, oh, boy. Two different movies. Two different things I have to think about. So many great ones. But you know what? I think the winner is simple. I think the winner is easy for me to pick. And that is, of course, going to be Sean McBee. Sean McBee, this theme is for you.
Winner’s Song [00:18:10] You win. Nothing at all. But you’re still cool.
Paul Scheer [00:18:22] The reason why Sean won is because he brought up the smartest point. If you’re trying to make somebody forget that they are Hypnotic, don’t remind them they’re Hypnotic. Anyway, thank you, John Wenzel, for that theme. Thank you, Sean McBee, for that observation. And now I’m going to tell you something to do, because if you want to get in on this, if you want to get a theme like that made for, you will just go to our discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM or call me at 619-PAUL-ASK. That’s 619-PAUL-ASK not Paul ASS. That is a private line that I’m using a lot more now because of the strike. You can submit alt taglines, chime in with your own thoughts, whatever you want to do. Discord and 619-PAUL-ASK. Coming up, Jason and I will chat about having the time of our lives, seeing Joni Mitchell. Plus, I will reveal next week’s movie. And at the very end of the show, I’m going to share an exclusive deleted scene from our Hypnotic episode. So stick around.
Paul Scheer [00:19:23] All right. Welcome back. Just a reminder, every single week we are releasing an old episode from the vault. There is no vault anymore or no access to the vault anymore. So now it’s up to you to help us pick what you want to hear on Matinee Monday. Head to our discord. Tell us on social, whatever. We’re going to give you the best of the best. But last week, we had a replay of one of my favorite episodes, Teen Witch, with special guest Deanna Chang. So keep on checking out those replays every Monday. Now. You probably heard us mention in the Sleepover episode that we saw Joni Mitchell right before the movie. And it and it kind of affected us while watching it. So Jason and I sat down to chat about this amazing concert and a lot more atomic waters play us into just chat.
Music [00:20:10] [Just Chat Intro]
Paul Scheer [00:20:31] Jason, it’s been a few weeks.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:32] And here we are.
Paul Scheer [00:20:34] Here we are once again. We haven’t talked about this on the show, but you and I experienced a night unlike any other.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:44] I don’t even know. Here’s what I’ll say. I would love to talk about this. To talk about it without June is going to infuriate June.
Paul Scheer [00:20:52] I know. I know.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:54] We should do a Last Looks about the fact that we saw. We went to Seattle and we saw Joni Mitchell play live at the Gorge Ampitheater, which was stunning.
Paul Scheer [00:21:06] It is. Unbelievable. The venue is unbelievable. It is like a concert venue on the edge of the Grand Canyon.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:17] Absolutely gobsmacking, disgustingly gorgeous.
Paul Scheer [00:21:21] Oh, man. Alive. It was it was stunning. I was really just basking in the glow. And for people who don’t know, this is the first ticketed Joni Mitchell concert in over 20 years. Right.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:37] Joni Mitchell had an aneurysm in, I think 2016 or 2015 and was was in decline and then has kind of through rehabilitation, kind of been coming out of it. And Brandi Carlile, the artist Brandi Carlile, has really been kind of I feel like, you know, engaging in these jam days, these jam sessions where a lot of, you know, cool people go over to Joni’s house and they all just play music together. And then Joni joins in.
Paul Scheer [00:22:07] And I think a lot of people probably saw about a year ago, maybe two years ago, the Newport Jazz Festival, this was the first kind of public outing of Joni Mitchell in a long time. She came out on stage with this grouping of people and perform with Brandi Carlile, and it was awesome.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:25] It was incredible. It was a surprise appearance. That was the other thing, it was a surprise appearance. And and, you know, like you said, Joni hadn’t been seen in years. And that in and of itself was this huge thing. And so then they announced they were going to do this this concert. And it was the same set up. A jam. And it was, you know, Brandi Carlile was kind of facilitating it along with a lot of the people in her band. And then.
Paul Scheer [00:22:53] By the way, I left a Brandi Carlile fan. I went in going, Oh, you know her. And she’s, I like her. She’s fine. Like, not fine. But I didn’t have an opinion solidly. I just like, Oh yeah, I know that some songs and that’s great. But I left a massive fan. Oh yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:09] I went to the night prior. You guys weren’t there then. The night before the Joni concert at the Gorge was a Brandi Carlile concert just right. Just Brandi Carlile and her band, as well as some of the special guests that joined for the Joni Concert as well and joined Brandi on Friday night. And that was.
Paul Scheer [00:23:28] Annie Lennox there?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:29] Annie Lennox was there.
Paul Scheer [00:23:31] Annie Lennox. Yeah. Wow.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:33] Annie Lennox. Wow. What control of that instrument. Annie Lennox came in both nights and just demolished. She was so good.
Paul Scheer [00:23:43] Demolished in a way that, look, everyone is singing. Everyone is up on this. It was, again, one of the most impressive things I’ve ever seen. I am pretty positive that you’ll all be able to see it, because I believe Cameron Crowe captured.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:00] It was there was I counted seven at least cameras on it and I saw Cameron Crowe there so.
Paul Scheer [00:24:07] Okay. I saw four drones. Yes. Like capturing it. Now, how were your seats?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:13] Oh, they were good. I was in like the front center kind of, you know.
Paul Scheer [00:24:17] So, so good. We were on that. We were a little bit on the side, but down low there it was great. But Annie Lennox, it was cool.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:23] Annie Lennox. Because the other thing that was cool and I shouldn’t have told you that was the mistake I made. On Friday night, Brandi Carlile brought out both Annie Lennox and Sarah McLachlan, both of whom sang their own songs with Brandy’s band, which was also great. But on Saturday night, I wish I hadn’t told you that Annie Lennox and Sarah McLaughlin had played the night before, because they would have then been surprises to you on Saturday night because it was so fun when they just showed up. But it was amazing. The ladies of the canyon and then Sarah McLaughlin playing piano and singing blue was just incredible.
Paul Scheer [00:25:03] First of all, can I just say one thing about Sarah McLachlan? How does she look younger than she looked in 1992?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:11] Marry me. Sarah McLachlan. Wow.
Paul Scheer [00:25:14] It was like her tendrils were stealing the show.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:18] The first night she came out, because again, totally a surprise, unannounced, came bounding from side stage, barefoot, and just came out and sang Sarah McLachlan songs like that. It was great. But she sang blue beautifully.
Paul Scheer [00:25:35] I mean, just I mean, everybody just got up there and I will say this and you are much more of a connoisseur of music. I enjoyed what I saw at the Newport Jazz Festival. It was amazing. But I will say the difference between Joni Mitchell at Newport and what we saw on Saturday at the Gorge was night and day. I feel like I was blown away.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:00] She was being a rascal. She was telling stories. She was talking, telling stories about Bob Dylan and Van Morrison. She was. She was. She was doing jokes. She had Prince stories. When Wendy and Lisa were both there and told great, they told great stories about being in Prince’s band. And I loved the story that Prince hired Wendy and Lisa, because when he heard them play, they sounded like Joni Mitchell. And he loved them in a way. They were telling stories about how important Joni was to Prince. You know, and that was cool.
Paul Scheer [00:26:34] The fact that she told the story about Prince coming over to her house, sitting at her piano and starting to play a song, and Joni is like, What’s that? And he’s like, It’s a case of you. And she’s like, Oh, well, yeah. Like, she she had the energy of the most rascally grandma that you’ve ever had. Like, to the point where it sometimes is a little bit nervous because you get to say something that you shouldn’t be saying. But she was. She was fully in control. Funny.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:04] Mischievous. She was. And that’s the difference. And her voice, she sang like, because, you know, her voice is not as good as it has been in years. You know, it’s her voice changed. Absolutely. Her voice changed just in general from the the high alto that she had during the folk days. She even changed it through drinking and smoking purposefully. She always wanted to sound like a have a deeper voice. So even when you go from, you know, like ladies of the canyon to Jeera or Don was reckless daughter, that’s two different voices. Never mind then Turbulent Indigo and the albums later into the eighties and nineties, even different voices.
Paul Scheer [00:27:44] People were mad at me because I made them play twisted on the way to the venue, which is like when she’s doing like a like the way Twisted sounds, it almost is like the theme for that Fran Drescher show.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:58] The Nanny?
Paul Scheer [00:27:59] The Nanny. Has it a little of a badadadada.
Music [00:28:09] [Twisted]
Paul Scheer [00:28:17] And it’s great. It’s a great song. Yeah, it’s, you know, it’s. But you realize, like, how much she has done and different ways she has sang.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:25] Her voice this weekend sounded so much stronger than it did at Newport. So much so. Because, you know, you’ve got people there’s so much the the duo Lucius was there, the two singers, Lucius. And a lot of times if you watched Brandy or Lucius or other people were doubling Johnny’s voice, we’re doubling it subtly, doubling it to, you know, to to fill out where Joni was missing pieces or was joining. And she would kind of come in and out. But then Joni just solo sang Summertime and it was incredible. She sang a number of songs on her own and just was it was devastating.
Paul Scheer [00:29:08] As somebody who. Does live events like yourself. I’m always impressed by how people put together a live show. And this is a live show that has a lot of question marks to it, because obviously they’re going to tape it. They want to do it right because the Newport Jazz Festival, I think, was a surprise appearance. They weren’t really prepared for it, even though they are releasing an album for it. And I feel like Cameron Crowe set her up for such success totally, because the way that it was built and structured was if Joni was at 60%, it would still be 100% concert, you know, like there was an energy to it that she didn’t even need to be there because everything around it was built to be this other thing. It wasn’t maudlin, it wasn’t sad, it was fun. It was happy. It was light. But what I got out of watching that and Brandi Carlile, great MC throughout the whole thing, like adjusting mics throughout the entire festival. But was that Joni at points or pushing off people almost like the idea of like, oh, let’s let let’s help you stand. Got it. I got it, I got it. And, and so much so that you could almost see certain people like, Oh, wow, we weren’t expecting you to jump in as much as you were.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:23] Yeah, she’s no bullshit and like, Joni is no bullshit and was like, was back to that. Yeah. Like you said, that rascally no bullshit vibe and was like, there to, like, have a great time. And she looks like I kept being like, she’s having so much fun.
Paul Scheer [00:30:40] Yes.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:41] You can see.
Paul Scheer [00:30:42] One Hundred percent.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:42] How much fun she’s having. Even even when she wasn’t singing. When, when like, when the artists Celise who would who sang and played guitar just Joni watching Celise was incredible. Like Joni was Joni, you know, like we’ve mentioned a number of people, but there was even more Blake Mills, I think Unsung Hero of the Night. Oh, yeah, Playing Joni’s guitar. Marcus Mumford on percussion. Matt Chamberlain Like one of my all time favorite drummers in the whole world. Matt Chamberlain. Unbelievable. When he showed up at Brandi Carlile set on Friday, I was like, Shit, that’s Matt Chamberlain, incredibly, incredibly incredible band.
Paul Scheer [00:31:24] I needed you nearby because I was like, I spent the rest of the night Googling everybody up there. Oh, yeah. I’ll tell you, the one person I walked away with with a real love for, and I even texted you about this. But the whole night is it’s a Joni concert where people are leading the way, kind of doing covers their own versions of it. Sometimes she’s joining in, sometimes she’s watching. She’s also very active throughout the entire thing. But the one thing about this night is while it is a jam, everything that they’re covering is primarily Joni songs or songs that Joni wants to do, like Love Potion Number nine. Yeah. Or Young at heart, right?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:06] Joni doing young at heart really wrecked me.
Music [00:32:10] [Young at Heart]
Paul Scheer [00:32:28] Oh, it was amazing. Now we get to about Mid-show and Annie Lennox has performed, right? Just brought down the house. And then we throw to a man named Rick, a man named Rick, who is an ageless man who, if you told me he was just out of college or just going into a retirement home, I would say.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:53] Why not?
Paul Scheer [00:32:54] Yes. Why not? And and Joni was like, I don’t want Rick to do one of my numbers. He’s an emerging artist and I want him to do one of his own numbers. And it was and I was like, ooh, I wonder what this is going to be. And he killed it. He killed.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:14] He killed it. But it was it’s like, you know what? If you’re one song, you know, he’s like, he’s, I guess, like one of the he’s one he’s a friend of Joni’s. He plays it all because they do these jams at Joni’s house, like, I don’t know, a couple of times a year, a monthly or something like that. I’m not sure how often, but and he’s a mainstay of those things. And for him to though come out and he’s not a it’s not a name that you would know, he’s not a recognizable artist.
Paul Scheer [00:33:40] Rick Whitfield is Rick Whitfield. He’s got two albums on Spotify. One is a Christmas album. And one is, you know, another album they released a while ago. But just like your Smokehouse.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:51] Yeah, exactly. Imagine you’re used to playing the Smokehouse, which is like a steakhouse restaurant here in L.A. And then you are playing for 20, 27,000 people at the Gorge.
[00:34:03] You’re original song. Meanwhile, every song. Big Yellow Taxi. Yeah. You know, sex kills, like, all these songs are being played and everyone is so in and it’s like, Hey, we’re going to do an original. And it’s so clearly like Joni’s want because she loves this guy. Oh, yeah. And, and I loved I just loved that. I loved it. I loved that vibe. Because I think at the end of the night, what I really took away from that event was anyone could have been there. Everyone, we wanted to be there, but because they kept it to people like Wendy and Lisa and this crew, this world that she’s created, they really captured the spirit of the jam. So there’s another version of this where you just rotate in another famous person, another famous person, another famous person. But they kept they really kept the core. I think truly the only two people that were outsiders of that entire group were Sarah McLaughlin and Annie Lennox.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:09] Totally. And I was so glad that this, it wasn’t okay. And that’s such a good point. And just to piggyback on, I’m so glad this didn’t feel like a tribute to Joni Mitchell. Like here we all are. We’re all going to sing Joni Mitchell songs in front of her. It was no, this is a Joni Mitchell concert. But but everybody who’s on stage, the band are also going to be showcased, you know, and and and yes, Annie Lennox and Sarah McLachlan sang their own interpretations of Joni songs, but beyond, like Brandi Carlile, didn’t even sing her own Joni song, you know, then a lot of this grew out of this is a bunch of years ago, maybe five or six years ago, Brandi Carlile performed all of Blue as a concert, all of Joni Mitchell’s Blue as a concert. And so I saw Brandi Carlile here at the Palladium, I don’t know, in 2018 or 2019 probably, And she played a couple of songs from Blue, and it was incredible. And I was like, Whoa, this is next level. You know that a side note, you know that Brandi Carlile is incredible. I love her because now that you’re a new fan, I really I really love Brandi Carlile. She’s done all this Joni stuff. She has also been singing with and is actively trying to get Soundgarden to go on tour with her as their lead singer, the remaining members of Soundgarden. She’s played live with them, I think once or twice. She’s played with all of the band, but just like a couple of songs, I think at a festival that something like that. I’m not sure if I have all these details right, so forgive me if I’m getting something wrong, but I know that she wants to she wants to front some version of Soundgarden, which I think would be incredible.
Paul Scheer [00:36:53] That would be fantastic. I think what I really appreciate sometimes, too and, you know, I think that there was such a period of time that I grew up where bands were too cool to kind of communicate with the audience a little bit or I’ve seen more of it lately, and I really feel like she put on a show that really brought you in. And in a way, like she described the show, I love this. I think about this a lot. She was like, tonight you’re going to see, you know, when you shake a snow globe and you and you see the snow falling down around a house and you look in the windows and you wonder like, what’s going on in those windows? Like that’s what you’re going to see. Like we’re creating that. And I feel like that was the vibe. It felt so homey and small. Like there are certain people on that stage that are just friends of Joni, one guy who I think might be her boyfriend, another older woman who just seems to be a friend. They’re not singing, they’re not doing anything. They’re just around. They have pictures of her dogs on stage. It was just it was really, really cool. And it was so good that when I said the June, you know, she’s actually playing in Germany in October, June’s like, I think we should go.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:01] I would go.
Paul Scheer [00:38:03] I mean, no, it would be amazing. Yeah, but it was it really was.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:07] I love I love that. It’s like it’s not just we’re honoring this person or, like I said, a tribute.
Paul Scheer [00:38:16] It wasn’t maudlin.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:17] It no, it felt very alive. It felt very exciting and vibrant and alive. And it felt like from a place of what I liked about Brandi Carlile in this regard. And then also kind of the Soundgarden thing is I love to to your point, it’s not she’s not cool, so cool as to not be a vocal fan of things. Yeah And that’s I know. Yeah. You know, like she is out there championing all of these other artists, you know, and that’s what’s and giving everybody their due and making sure everybody gets showcased and everybody like there’s just something very there’s a generosity to it that feels really impressive. And, and I think that’s the case for a lot of musicians in bands now. I don’t think it’s as as competitive or as like, fuck them, it’s us. kind of the vibes of the the older generations of rock acts and stuff.
Paul Scheer [00:39:11] No. Yeah, there’s something really, really amazing about like we’re there because we’re fans and they’re there because they’re fans. Like, great. Like, it’s like, it’s like, you.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:22] What I, what I, if you if you YouTube there’s a great video of Joni playing Coyote one of my favorite songs off of my absolute favorite album of all time Hejira in I think it’s in Roger McGinn’s House from The Byrds. He’s there. She’s playing it in front of Bob Dylan, who’s just kind of like nervously watching her. And it’s like, it reminded me of what I know of those Laurel Canyon days when everybody from Zappa to the Monkeys to Joni to Crosby, Stills, Nash, you know, Peter Tork, they would all be, you know, The Mamas and the Papas. They were they all lived in the canyon and they would all go to each other’s houses and jam. And that feels and the the video I’m talking about on YouTube feels like that. And that’s what Saturday night felt like.
Paul Scheer [00:40:11] Well, let’s end this Last Looks by kind of highlighting some things. If you are engaged by this. I know there’s a great documentary about the Laurel Canyon music scene, right?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:24] There is, Yes, but it’s there’s two of them. The one that I think is that I like more is is a two parter. And it documents that whole scene and it’s really very good. The other one that I don’t like as much is the Jakob Dylan one from The Wallflowers. Yeah. And he assembles.
Paul Scheer [00:40:43] Like Godzilla soundtrack.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:44] Yeah, he assembles like Beck and a lot of contemporary artists to talk about to talk in. There is a lot of talking about the Laurel Canyon scene and how impactful and important it was to the musicians of that generation. And so you see it’s a little bit more modern people interpreting that stuff and talking about how important and impactful it was for them. That was a little less interesting to me. The one I loved is the other one that I think is called.
Paul Scheer [00:41:13] Is it called Laurel? Just Laurel Canyon?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:15] It might just be called Laurel Canyon. I can’t.
Paul Scheer [00:41:17] I’m looking at it right now.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:18] Oh, good. Oh.
Paul Scheer [00:41:20] Yeah. And this one’s called Laurel Canyon. The official trailer is on YouTube. It’s made by Mad Man films, which seems about right.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:27] Yeah, it’s fantastic, that one. I really. I loved that movie. There’s also, if you want to go down the rabbit hole of live Joni performances there is she put out a a release that is the entirety of the Isle of Wight concert that is 1970 and is fantastic. And the one that I really love is Shadows and Light is what it is, shadows and light. And that has like Jocko and Pat Metheny and it’s a fucking the band is incredible. It’s late. I think it’s 79 or 1980. I can’t remember what year, but it’s an absolute murderer’s row in terms of the band and it’s a great show and it’s I think almost all of it is is on youtube. And that’s really incredible as well as there are just there’s a treasure trove on YouTube of like Joni Mitchell live on the Dick Cavett Show, Joni Mitchell live on this show. And it’s you. You are you can chart the progress of Joni from Canadian television in the late sixties all the way through to like now. You know because people have put up YouTube videos have already been putting up YouTube videos from Saturday night.
Paul Scheer [00:42:48] It’s is amazing. And you can also. Speaking of like YouTube videos, you were talking about Brandi Carlile and Soundgarden. Oh, yeah. There’s plenty there. Her doing Black hole Sun. You know, you have her searching with my good eye closed. You know, there are there are things and she has said in Rolling Stone, like you said, she wants to be Soundgarden’s new singer.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:10] Yeah I love that.
Paul Scheer [00:43:11] What would you recommend to me as somebody who is now getting in to Brandi Carlile? Like, where should I go? Or do you have any recommendations for me?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:18] You know, I would just I mean, just she doesn’t have like, you can just dig in, you know, I mean, like obviously like the last couple of albums have been hugely impactful, but like, I think Brandi Carlile has been making great music forever. So I think just just roam around and find stuff, you know?
Paul Scheer [00:43:37] I love that. I know she was a part of Highway Women and that and this is like in.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:41] The highwomen.
Paul Scheer [00:43:42] Highwomen.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:42] Highwomen is no, it makes sense because it’s a play on the Highwaymen.
Paul Scheer [00:43:50] Highwaymen. Got it.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:51] Which is, you know, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, which was the Outlaws, basically all the outlaw guys did the highway. The highway men. So this was this is an answer to that. It’s Maren Morris.
Paul Scheer [00:44:05] Amanda Schreier.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:06] Amanda Schreier. Brandi and some Natalie Hemby. That’s who I’m forgetting. And, and they’re great. That’s the that is the bummer that I’m sad I missed They played on Sunday night at the Gorge and I that was the one night I couldn’t make so I was disappointed but I’ve never seen the highwomen but I think I’ve seen them play, I’ve seen videos of them and it’s great. Their harmonies are fantastic.
Paul Scheer [00:44:32] Well, I love this. This is a little entry point in. And of course, like we said, the Newport album is coming out that was just recently remastered.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:41] And if you are at all interested, the Joni Mitchell archive is incredibly active right now. They’ve been remastering, reissuing, they’re putting out boxsets of stuff. The Joni Mitchell Archive is absolutely worth checking out if you want Joni stuff, if you’re obsessed with Joni Mitchell.
Paul Scheer [00:44:59] All right, well then that’s a little a little table setting for everybody to to go on the journey that I that we are in our house are deeply in right now listening to a lot of this stuff and kind of trying to get back to that amazing feeling of that night. So a different Last Looks for you and.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:17] Oh, can I can I say one last thing? Don’t be discouraged by the fact that Joni Mitchell’s music isn’t on Spotify.
Paul Scheer [00:45:24] Yes, I.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:25] Pulled it off. She pulled it off when Neil Young pulled his stuff off and a bunch of other people did. And it’s not gone back on yet, but you can still find it. You can still support Joni by going to other places.
Paul Scheer [00:45:38] It’s on Apple Music.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:39] Like all the other streamers, you’ll still find it anywhere you can. You can stream this music. Don’t be discouraged by the fact that it’s not on Spotify.
Paul Scheer [00:45:46] What I will say, though, yeah, is what you will find on Spotify are amazing covers like Bonnie Raitt covers, and they’re like, she is truly, you know, probably one of the most covered artists of all time. Oh, yeah. And there are there are so.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:02] Many songs that their most iconic version is someone else’s version like Woodstock. A lot of people don’t know that Crosby, Stills and Nash Woodstock is a Joni Mitchell song.
Paul Scheer [00:46:14] Wow, look at that. You see.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:16] I’ll go one further. Not only did Joni Mitchell write Woodstock and Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young performed it, but Joni Mitchell wasn’t at Woodstock because she had to stay in New York to to film The Dick Cavett Show the next day. And so she missed Woodstock. So the song Woodstock is written out of like FOMO, like the way she wrote Woodstock because of everything. Everybody was telling her about it. And she felt so jealous or upset that she hadn’t been there. She wrote the song, the definitive song about Woodstock. Having not been there. She’s the best.
Paul Scheer [00:46:53] Come on. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. All right. We’ll check in with you next time.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:59] Goodbye.
Paul Scheer [00:47:00] All right. Thank you, Jason. Now, we got Hypnotic and Sleepover out of the way. Let’s talk about next week’s movie. We are going from the end of middle school to the end of the world. That’s right. Next week, we are watching Absolution, starring Mario Lopez, Jimi Presley and Richard Greico. Here is a short breakdown of the plot. “Most of Earth has been destroyed by an asteroid, but a small military colony called New America, has managed to survive in the Arctic.” By the way, I did not know that from the actual movie. “When a soldier goes missing at the colony, authorities send an undercover agent to investigate.” There are no reviews for this movie on Rotten Tomatoes. So instead we turn to letter box, where user Fred Coleman writes, “This movie is full metal dog shit.” All right, Let’s take a listen to the trailer.
Trailer Audio [00:47:49] An alien invasion. Brian Kay Murphy? That’s me. And you can tell it’s my duty to welcome you to fullman military academy, New American Colony, a futuristic army. Only one man can save the human race. Mario Lopez. I obey any and all orders you command. Jamie Pressly. I’ve been here all night and I haven’t ravaged once. Absolution.
Paul Scheer [00:48:19] All right. We are now at the end of this episode. Before we go, check out this bonus scene from our Hypnotic show where we talk more about the actors in the division.
June Diane Raphael [00:48:30] If I’m in the division, too, because the division is essentially a repertoire group of actors, like it’s just a group of actors acting.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:48:39] It’s Patti LuPone.
June Diane Raphael [00:48:42] And I found it shocking that there’s only been one child. Because actors as a whole are very horny people. They’re always having sex with each other. And so only two Hypnotics ever had a baby? Is it against the law?
Paul Scheer [00:48:58] Well, here’s what I’ll say. I want to talk to two of these points. First of all, it does.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:49:05] Guys, I’m having a great time. I really was like, This movie’s so dumb. And I’m like. Oh, man, I love it.
Paul Scheer [00:49:16] I was looking. I was watching the movie, and one of my notes I wrote down earlier was, Where are all the fucking people at? This must be a COVID movie because there are no background. Like very, very, very empty scenes. And then I was like. Oh 36, 36 hypnotics They can’t fill all the scenes.
June Diane Raphael [00:49:37] Except for Mexico City.
Paul Scheer [00:49:38] Well, then they put them all. They put all of them into that one because he is moving from elevator to thing to thing. And they got to get basketball. They got get they got to you know, they’re driving around town. Mexico, they all could just run in, you know?
June Diane Raphael [00:49:50] I guess.
Paul Scheer [00:49:51] Okay. So all I’m saying is that that is the reason why there’s not that many people. I think it is against the law in Hypnotic world. But I want to ask the audience.
June Diane Raphael [00:50:05] You think it’s against the law for the Red Blazers to have sex with each other.
Paul Scheer [00:50:07] Yes. To produce.
June Diane Raphael [00:50:09] To produce. So they can have sex for pleasure.
Paul Scheer [00:50:11] Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:13] What they do say what they do say.
June Diane Raphael [00:50:17] I love how you said produce, not reproduce.
Paul Scheer [00:50:20] Well, they produce a lot of great stuff. Like this construct.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:24] You guys can fuck, but you better not produce. Oh I’m not going to Ralphs. I’m going to Gelson’s for its produce.
Paul Scheer [00:50:36] I just want to also speak to June’s point. I want to say, I really want to say to you, June, what an honor it would be to be the bank teller because you’re working on your craft. Your job in real life is to go up to the CEO, the prime minister. You have to be like, I need my instrument oiled. Like you want to be getting these small parts. I am the bank manager. I am the hot woman. Yeah, the temperature hot woman. And to me, what a great honor to play all these roles. What better way to learn? And maybe that back lot is their training grounds for new Hypnotics.
June Diane Raphael [00:51:19] What you’re absolutely right about is. Is to be at the division is basically like going to Juilliard. It’s. It’s getting a MFA. It’s getting.
Paul Scheer [00:51:29] Michael Shannon was a Hypnotic.
June Diane Raphael [00:51:34] And it’s so interesting because actually these Hypnotics have probably well, I don’t really know. I can’t speak for them, obviously, but not a lot of interest in acting and performing. And so what they do, that’s what I’m saying. That’s what’s so fascinating about watching their work is that they, their whole job is to get into other people’s minds, not to like, embody others. I thought.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:00] Yes, oh no, you’re right.
Paul Scheer [00:52:01] That no, they need to embody.
June Diane Raphael [00:52:03] Now they do because of circumstance.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:05] Right. But I think their thing is to make people in the world do their do their bidding.
Paul Scheer [00:52:11] So it’s like when Tom Cruise puts on the mask in Mission Impossible. He’s like.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:15] I mean, that’s true.
Paul Scheer [00:52:16] Yeah. It’s like he is Hypnotic, but he’s got to use a fucking mask. They don’t.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:19] But you know what Tom Cruise doesn’t do when he’s about to go on a mission? He doesn’t say to Ving Rhames and Simon Pegg “Places everybody.” He fucking knows what he’s up to. He’s not, Thank you two minutes. Thank you, two.
Paul Scheer [00:52:33] I’m pretty positive. I’m pretty positive somebody clapped their hands and say it’s showtime.
Paul Scheer [00:52:40] All right, That’s it for our show. Please remember to rate and review. It helps. And if you listen on Apple Podcasts, make sure you are following us. You can visit us on social media @HDTGM. A big thank you to our producers, Scott Sonne and Molly Reynolds, our movie picking producer, Avril Halley, our engineer Casey Holford, and Jess Cisneros, who makes those amazing social media videos. All right. Thank you so much. And we will see you next week for Absolution.
September 28, 2023
EP. 328.5 — Last Looks: Jonathan Livingston Seagull
Paul and Jason chat about reality TV, music they’re loving, and their favorite L.A. activities. Plus, Paul digs into corrections and omissions from Jonathan Livingston Seagull, shares bonus content from the live show, and reveals next week’s movie.