June 15, 2023
Team Sanity member Casey Wilson is back! The Drop Dead Fred crew reconcile in order to discuss 1994’s Milk Money starring Melanie Griffith & Ed Harris. LIVE from Largo in LA, they discuss the classroom sex ed scene, the meaning of the film’s title, and the numerous uncomfortable moments between V and the boys. Plus, a debate about laundry and pajamas goes off the rails, Paul shares numerous disturbing childhood stories, and an audience member’s baby brings June to tears.
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321 — Milk Money LIVE! (w/ Casey Wilson)
Paul Scheer [00:00:00] A mission to find boobs Turns into a mission to find love. Take off your pants and listen. Cause we saw Milk Money. So you know what that means.
Music [00:00:19] [Intro Song]
Paul Scheer [00:01:15] Hello people of Earth and hello people of Los Angeles! Welcome to. How Did This Get Made? I’m your host, Tall John Scheer. And today we are talking about the 1994 Melanie Griffith, Ed Harris rom com children’s movie about a sex worker and a scientist and really perverted kids. Boy, oh, boy, we’re going to all break it down, but let me just give you a brief idea of what this plot is. First of all, I’ll say this. It feels like this is a film adapted from a very famous French film. It’s not, but it feels like, Oh, no, no, of course this works. No. It’s a movie about a young boy whose mother died in childbirth and he longs having a mom. So he also wants to see a real woman naked. So him and his friends raise 100 bucks. Will get into all of that. Go to the city to find a sex worker, find her, and then somehow take her home and then tries to get her to marry his widowed dad. That’s the movie. Wow. Okay. It is a child’s film. I think it was made by Disney and I’m watching it. I am shocked on so many levels. Just when you think it can’t get weirder. It. It does it. This is like Ari Aster could have made this movie. This is Bo is Afraid for night. Like, by the way. Look at this. Like, put this in the theater. Now you’re like, Holy shit, A24, you’ve gone too far. But you know what? We will break it all down, and I will do it with my co-host. Please welcome to the stage Mr. Jason Mantzoukas!
Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:21] What’s up, jerks!? How are you doing, Largo?
Paul Scheer [00:03:29] So, Jason, you and I are roughly you know, we’re in a similar age group. I remember this poster. I don’t ever feel like I saw this film. Like it felt to me like it was too young for me, even though I was like, I would have been the perfect age group for it.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:46] I’ve never seen this movie. I didn’t know this movie existed. Full stop. Okay. This movie is like a Reese’s Peanut butter Cup movie. This is. You got your step mom in my something. Something wild, right? This is a combination of Something Wild, the Jonathan Demme movie, where Melanie Griffith takes a young Jeff Daniels down the rabbit hole of insanity and crime and stuff. Except in this movie, the Jeff Daniels character is a little boy.
Paul Scheer [00:04:17] I will say it felt to me like working girl for kids with sex work like that. It felt like there was an element of that, that I was like, Oh, this kind of works like.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:27] Stand By Me. But present day at the time, but with a sock hop. This movie’s a real Rubix Cube.
Paul Scheer [00:04:37] I don’t know. We’re going to break it all down.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:39] Instead of do you want to see a dead body, it’s do you want to see boobs.
Paul Scheer [00:04:43] We’re going to continue to break this down, and I have to do it with my other co-host. Please welcome to the stage Miss June Diane Raphael.
June Diane Raphael [00:04:58] Thank you so much.
Paul Scheer [00:05:01] Welcome, June. How are you?
June Diane Raphael [00:05:02] I’m well. How are you, Paul?
Paul Scheer [00:05:04] Very well, Thank you for asking. June, you and I watch Milk Money today, and at many points we were ushering our children out of the living room. Like, get out of here. You can’t watch this with us.
June Diane Raphael [00:05:17] Yeah, it was. There were many times watching it where I thought, like, I’m going to be put on a list and I should be. Like, I. I need to tell people I saw some of these scenes, you know, I need to come clean. I saw it. I watched it.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:05:37] I had a flashback, a brief hint of a flashback while watching this movie. Oh, didn’t we do a movie where Patricia Arquette seduces Joe Gordon-Levitt, who’s also a tiny child?
Paul Scheer [00:05:51] Yes.
June Diane Raphael [00:05:52] I don’t remember that.
Paul Scheer [00:05:53] That was a movie where.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:05:55] And that was Leonard Nimoy. This is Richard Benjamin. What’s up with these weirdos?
June Diane Raphael [00:05:59] I don’t know. I truly. Because also, you know, I’m a coach, you know, for a soccer team. And I’ve been fingerprinted and and I want to go back and let the authorities know, like, take another look at me, you know?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:06:12] But I will say, if I’m being fully honest, the most I’ve ever cried at a How did this get movie made movie, was this movie.
June Diane Raphael [00:06:22] Me too.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:06:24] When we get to it. Oh, the number of times I wrote in my notes, I’m crying? Question mark. I’m sobbing? At the end of my notes say I am wrecked.
June Diane Raphael [00:06:36] Listen Jason.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:06:37] When she hugs the backpack. I was like noooo.
June Diane Raphael [00:06:39] Stop, stop, stop. Listen, don’t get me wrong again. I want to be background checked now. But I. I absolutely loved this movie.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:06:54] Hard same. So much so that Paul, I’m going to need you to bring out our other guest.
June Diane Raphael [00:06:59] Yes, because she’s the one who introduced. She, we’ve already revealed one.
Paul Scheer [00:07:02] Here’s what I’ll say. For those of you listening, for those of you here in the theater, a couple of years ago here in Los Angeles.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:07:11] Audible gasps.
Paul Scheer [00:07:13] We did a show where we talked about a movie about a young girl finding herself through an imaginary friend. The movie is called Drop Dead Fred. It was a Battle of Wills team sanity, Team Fred, and not since. I need to understand how you’re going to define Team Fred, but we’ll get into that because I think a lot of people who define Team Fred, are actually team sanity anyway. The thing that I will say is. Since that show, this guest has not been on this show. People have assumed this guest was not allowed back.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:07:58] They were right.
Paul Scheer [00:08:01] The truth is, we needed to find the perfect film. You know her as a member of team sanity. You also know her from her incredibly successful podcast, Bitch Sesh. Please welcome, Casey Wilson!
Jason Mantzoukas [00:08:32] Fred. Fred. Fred. Fred! Fred. Fred. Fred. Fred! Fred, Fred, Fred!
Casey Wilson [00:08:39] Guys, I know we are here to talk about Milk money, but I just want everyone to know I could do five more hours here working on it.
June Diane Raphael [00:08:47] But I do think I do think we need to address this to kind of clear this space and clear the air because.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:08:53] We have palo santo to burn.
June Diane Raphael [00:08:55] I do want a new experience tonight, and I want to start anew.
Casey Wilson [00:08:59] I don’t want it to be antagonistic. We’re already, Paul, the way Paul has set the chairs.
June Diane Raphael [00:09:03] I know. I know.
Casey Wilson [00:09:05] Has set us against each other.
Casey Wilson [00:09:05] I know.
Paul Scheer [00:09:06] But I will. Yeah. I mean, there’s a lot there’s a lot to unpack.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:09] It’s hard because just as I have, I haven’t even seen Casey since that night. I’ve not seen her. And just to see you right now makes me so furious.
June Diane Raphael [00:09:20] Jason, Casey is one of my very best friends in the world.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:24] I’m so mad, though.
June Diane Raphael [00:09:25] And you have to, what you have to know, and audience, what you have to know is that after that night, Paul and I drove separately to the show and I got in my car and I called Jason and we did some time together on the phone. There were a lot of texts going on between the four of us.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:41] We talked numerous times over the next few days.
Casey Wilson [00:09:44] It wasn’t a normal show where you go back and it’s like, that was crazy. But like I was in the parking lot, like, fuck them.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:50] Yeah.
Paul Scheer [00:09:52] They didn’t get.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:52] Everybody who came to the green room after the show had a very strange experience with us.
Casey Wilson [00:09:57] They were trying to find charcuterie, and we were just packing up angrily.
Paul Scheer [00:10:02] We were kicking them out where we don’t have time to see guests.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:06] Yeah, Mitch Garrett. Get the fuck out of here. Thank you for the art.
June Diane Raphael [00:10:11] He’s so amazing. And you know, he saw our most toxic selves.
Paul Scheer [00:10:17] I wanted to start this one off a little bit differently because we had a a great listener to the show. He has a legitimate beer company. It’s not made in somebody’s house. It’s called Wrong Crowd. And it’s the Where Does the Butt Start Pale Ale.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:32] Wait, what are you talking about?
Paul Scheer [00:10:35] Well, I will pass these out. I have. I have four of them. I have cups as well. This is it’s a legitimate, we we googled it. So this is not poison.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:42] I was just going to say I want feels a lot like poison to me.
Paul Scheer [00:10:46] I wanted to.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:48] Just cause you give it to me on stage doesn’t mean I’m going to drink it. Wow.
Paul Scheer [00:10:52] But what I love about this beer is. And I got cups if people want them. What I love about this beer is. There you go.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:11:02] It is weird.
Paul Scheer [00:11:02] Is that and when you drink it, you really get the sense of being in How Did This Get Made? Because if you look at the bottom of the can, it says right there clear as day Team Sanity.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:11:17] What? I will not drink. Nice try. Nice try. Nice try. What does it have? What does it have in it? Insane juice?
Casey Wilson [00:11:35] A person who names their beer Where does the butt start? Is team sanity. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:11:40] Fuckin’ idiots.
June Diane Raphael [00:11:41] I’m so mad, Paul. Because what I wanted to do, I really wanted to. I wanted to start off differently. I want to start off differently with Casey, and I want everyone to know that Paul and I talked a little bit about that show, but not that much. Jason, I spent roughly 12 hours recapping it and honestly processing it. Casey, you and I have never talked about it.
Casey Wilson [00:12:00] No. And I don’t even want to look at you.
June Diane Raphael [00:12:02] Was literally like we never spoke about it again.
Casey Wilson [00:12:06] Never spoke about it once.
June Diane Raphael [00:12:06] Nope.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:07] I had a headache for two days.
Casey Wilson [00:12:12] I was hoarse.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:12] Yeah.
June Diane Raphael [00:12:13] I have to say, you know, tonight is a healing space because. Because and that something else happened that was so surprising. Obviously, Casey revealed herself to be team sanity, which is one of the most shocking moments of my life. But I also today watching. A real insane moment, watching Milk Money. I’ve known Casey since she was eighteen years old. I’ve never heard you speak of this movie.
Casey Wilson [00:12:35] I love Milk Money.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:37] Thank God.
June Diane Raphael [00:12:39] And I love Milk Money too.
Casey Wilson [00:12:40] Eyes filling with tears.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:42] I also love Milk Money. I loved this movie, like in a way that was like I especially felt.
Casey Wilson [00:12:50] This is healing.
June Diane Raphael [00:12:50] That’s what I’m saying. I think you brought Milk Money.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:53] But I think we love it in the right way.
June Diane Raphael [00:12:55] Oh.
Paul Scheer [00:12:57] Look, I. I got a lot of questions.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:00] June and I love it for the right reasons.
Casey Wilson [00:13:01] Okay.
Paul Scheer [00:13:02] I got I have a lot of questions about that. Casey, you said to me like, this is one of your favorite movies growing up, right? This is a movie and this is a movie you saw. I really want to.
Casey Wilson [00:13:10] In the theaters, go on.
Paul Scheer [00:13:11] Okay. I want to dig into what that was like because seeing it as a child, my biggest question was, who is this for? I don’t know if this is for boys, girls, 13 year olds, 40 year olds, widowers or.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:28] This is a real four quadrant movie.
Paul Scheer [00:13:31] It is mean. It’s an odd movie because.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:35] It’s what if Porky’s but for Stand by Me also Pretty Woman.
Casey Wilson [00:13:42] But also Terms of Endearment.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:44] Yeah. I mean, like in the beginning when when the boys are in the treehouse and he’s like, and I’m going to put in this box of the Sacred shoebox a picture of a dead mother. I was like, Okay, where are we going?
Paul Scheer [00:13:57] By the way? Oh, yeah, go ahead.
Casey Wilson [00:13:59] I have a quote there. We’re not 3 minutes into the movie and I hear one of the most beautiful quotes I’ve heard on screen. One boy says, I don’t know what it’s like to have a mother. Another boy says, We can tell you. And he says, the other boy says, You can’t tell somebody something like that.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:13] Yeah.
Paul Scheer [00:14:14] Wow.
Casey Wilson [00:14:15] It’s a gorgeous film.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:20] There’s a lot of incredibly beautiful lines.
Paul Scheer [00:14:22] Yes, from the writer of Free Willy 2, a lot of great lines.
June Diane Raphael [00:14:26] Sorry, but.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:28] There are also scenes where a bunch of eight year olds appear to be watching porn.
Paul Scheer [00:14:33] Yes. All right. Wait, hold on. I want to go back to this box, which is because this box is very high concept, because I guess what I’m what I understand with the box like that is like it’s like a time capsule. Let’s put things in here. We’ll look back.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:50] Things we don’t understand.
Paul Scheer [00:14:52] I was saying, well, we understand in the world is time capsules. We’re going to put our own mementos in here and years later we’ll see it in this movie. It’s like we’re putting things that we don’t understand in here and we’ll revisit it later to be like we were dumb. Is that the premise?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:10] I would much rather they return to the box with more knowledge, then test things out like a travel drinking cup that is a diaphragm. You put it away until someone notices. And you know what? Frank does know what it is.
Paul Scheer [00:15:25] This is a moment and I didn’t realize this until much later. Diaphragms not really into the culture as much as I guess it was, but there was a movie called Club. It was a movie with Robin Williams and Peter O’Toole, like Club Med or Club Paradise. Thank you. And Club Paradise. And at one point, Robin Williams says, Oh, you got a bunch of diaphragms in your pool filters. And I said to my dad, What’s a diaphragm? He goes, you don’t have to worry about it.
June Diane Raphael [00:15:54] You actually do need to worry about it quite a bit.
June Diane Raphael [00:15:57] It was said so shockingly that it’s always been burning my head. Like, what did I say? Like, I just. Well, we were watching a movie. I didn’t understand what was getting stuck in the pool filters and you don’t need to worry about it. And then. And then I knew a diaphragm is like a breath like that. You breathe with your diaphragm. And then I was like, How is that in a pool filter? And my dad worked in a pharmacy. And then one time I was in the back room getting some things from the back and I saw diaphragms and I was like, What’s in this box?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:34] Shouldn’t these be in the pool?
Paul Scheer [00:16:36] Diaphragms to me. That’s the first time I’ve seen one.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:43] To be fair, Paul, your dad was right. By the time it came around, you didn’t need to know about this. They were already. It’s like saying to this crowd, did you know about sponges?
June Diane Raphael [00:16:55] It really did make me think like diaphragms were crazy. The idea of having to, like, put it. Because my question was always, when do you put in a diaphragm? Like, just right.
Casey Wilson [00:17:04] I think right before.
June Diane Raphael [00:17:05] Wow, that’s.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:06] Can we get somebody has to use diaphram?
June Diane Raphael [00:17:08] Diaphragm, diaphragm users, anybody.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:10] Anybody want to speak for the diaphragm?
Paul Scheer [00:17:14] I don’t understand how it hooks in.
June Diane Raphael [00:17:16] Let’s. Paul.
Casey Wilson [00:17:19] Paul.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:22] The hand motion that Paul did. I don’t understand how it hooks in? Like a bra.
June Diane Raphael [00:17:30] Like a menstrual cup and it spans expands in there so you don’t put it in just like trying to shove that in.
Paul Scheer [00:17:37] But because of what that kid was holding up, I was like, that’s it? Like, again, I haven’t seen it.
June Diane Raphael [00:17:41] You got to fold it and make like a little C shape and then you insert it and it opens.
Paul Scheer [00:17:46] Yeah, got it. Okay. I thought it’s like I thought, like, at the point of entry, you just drop it in front, like. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:53] It’s like.
June Diane Raphael [00:17:54] It’s like you thought you put it on the outside of the vagina?
Casey Wilson [00:17:59] Like a dental damn?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:01] June, you put it on the outside. You breathe deep.
Paul Scheer [00:18:05] Well, that’s the immediate thing. I guess I couldn’t understand how you would ever do it.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:09] You know, because the one mouth is connected to the other, and it just.
Paul Scheer [00:18:16] I will say there’s so many things about this movie. The premise, though, the beginning premise is these kids have access to a lot of porn. They’re not only.
June Diane Raphael [00:18:29] Where did that porn come from?
Paul Scheer [00:18:31] The dad?
June Diane Raphael [00:18:32] Which one? Not Ed Harris.
Casey Wilson [00:18:34] No, the dad who used.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:36] The creep dad.
June Diane Raphael [00:18:37] Of course, that dad.
Paul Scheer [00:18:39] I wanted to show some of the porn because.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:41] What? Wait, wait. Oh, no. Paul, we’re going to respectfully say no.
Paul Scheer [00:18:50] You’re going to learn a lot about me tonight. Hey, get ready to flip that switch about team sanity, team Fred. It’s where the butt starts here.
Casey Wilson [00:19:02] Look, I have to defend Paul no matter what tonight.
Paul Scheer [00:19:04] Thank you, Casey.
Casey Wilson [00:19:06] I’m with him.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:07] Drunk on team sanity beer.
Paul Scheer [00:19:09] But here’s what I’ll say is, like these kids, their collection of porn is massive. And it seems to me their lack of understanding of sex with the amount of porn they have access to is imbalanced. So, like, even when they’re watching the thing, they’re like, that’s elbows. Like, oh, keep it playing, buddy. Like, because when they’re.
Casey Wilson [00:19:33] And they turn it off at the best part.
Paul Scheer [00:19:33] Yeah, because here we go.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:35] Do you have that movie?
Casey Wilson [00:19:38] No but like, it was like, I sort of felt like it was interesting.
Paul Scheer [00:19:41] It was getting somewhere.
Casey Wilson [00:19:43] We were about to get there. And they’re like, turn it off.
Paul Scheer [00:19:46] I mean, now look.
Casey Wilson [00:19:47] You do need to find Melanie.
Paul Scheer [00:19:48] This is the porn.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:49] No, but I mean, we’re, okay, I want to be very clear. We’re talking about a movie. You’re talking about porn is if it’s the porn of today. Handing someone a Frolics magazine. These are like the.
Paul Scheer [00:20:00] Nurses in bondage.
June Diane Raphael [00:20:03] Still a lot, Jason.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:03] These are.
Paul Scheer [00:20:04] Playboy.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:06] Yeah. These are very.
Paul Scheer [00:20:08] 1994 porn wasn’t like the stone age. It wasn’t like, you know, a pinup girl in black. Like, Oh. I’m wearing a bra. Like, it wasn’t that.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:16] But some of th,is is that. You know, it is. There is a, I guess I like that they were, this also reminded me of. Was it Good Boys? Was the movie the Good the Good Boys or. Right. Yeah. In that in a way too. Because there was something about like this kid selling all of his porn is a vain school.
Paul Scheer [00:20:39] He’s got a homemade porn zeens, he’s got VHS tapes. This kid’s running a full business. There’s a line up and down this hallway like there was a sneaker drop. No teacher in sight.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:50] They do a good job I felt like, at least for Frank, especially dialing in a genuine innocence that I believed or that I was on board for.
June Diane Raphael [00:21:00] I totally agree. I mean, listen, until Melanie Griffith shows up at the house, the movie is utterly insane. And I don’t know why. I really don’t know why they need to see, because they’ve seen naked women. They’ve seen.
Paul Scheer [00:21:15] Well, that’s what I’m saying, the ideas.
June Diane Raphael [00:21:17] But they need to see one in person. You know, there’s and then why she goes with them and then she does it, you know, and you have you all have to sit with that. Yeah, we all saw that.
Casey Wilson [00:21:25] That’s right. That’s what we have to contend with. That’s what we’re up against.
Paul Scheer [00:21:30] That moment, first of all, them coming into the city, I thought this is the best representation of a city on midday. It’s neither like it’s it’s daunting.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:43] They ride their bikes to the downtown of it. What is it? It’s Pittsburgh. Oh, that makes sense.
Paul Scheer [00:21:50] I have I have a very strong history of Pittsburgh and Mannequin two, but the I will tell you this much, but they walk in and it’s.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:56] Speaking of, where does the butt start?
Paul Scheer [00:21:58] Yeah, that is. So. But that idea, like when they get there, it’s like it’s dangerous, but it’s also not like it just feels like adult in a great way. I like the way they presented the city.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:10] The kids were shockingly out of place. Yeah. Like, to me, you know, in a good way. And I was like, Is this the movie? I genuinely thought this was going to be a kids when their bikes get stolen and they’re stuck in the city. I was like, Oh, is this going to be the fucking movie? And I’m on board for it. Yeah, but no, they go straight back.
June Diane Raphael [00:22:28] Well, listen, we need to get to Ed Harris.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:32] Oh, yeah.
June Diane Raphael [00:22:34] Because it’s one of his best performances.
Casey Wilson [00:22:36] Absolutely. It’s the most open I’ve seen him.
June Diane Raphael [00:22:40] Yes, yes, Casey.
Paul Scheer [00:22:41] Yes, yes. I agree with this. I agree with all of this. This is to me. I’m like, I’m picturing him going to work on the Apollo three, like he’s I’m I’m tying this into Apollo 13.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:54] Well, no, I feel like this is the only Ed Harris performance that I’ve ever seen where he seems emotionally lost and bereft. Like he feels lost like Ed Harris in the in the green house with Melanie Griffith in pajamas.
June Diane Raphael [00:23:10] That scene and the two of them together in those pajamas. Muddy. I was like.
Casey Wilson [00:23:16] With those dog footprints.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:17] Oh, my God.
Paul Scheer [00:23:18] They really were very messy.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:20] Ed Harris in, like, Westworld or National Treasure, to which I inexplicably just watched.
Casey Wilson [00:23:25] Yeah.
June Diane Raphael [00:23:27] Was a beautiful performance.
Paul Scheer [00:23:29] And the best moment, though, I think, is when he eats the, like, the microwave dinner on the lawn with his son. And they are. They’re racing who can eat the fastest.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:42] They are so good at conveying the true, desperate heartache of these two, like that they are this pair that feels lost in the world.
Casey Wilson [00:23:52] I cried when he was taking the laundry out. Now, I’ve never done the laundry for my children. So I. And I’m a mother, but it still got me when he was taking it out himself.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:01] As the person who does all of Casey’s children’s laundry, that scene resonated.
Paul Scheer [00:24:07] By the way, June, June got so angry with me the other night.
June Diane Raphael [00:24:13] Careful. You’re going to speak about laundry. Careful. I want to keep this night light.
Paul Scheer [00:24:18] Okay. Wow. All right.
June Diane Raphael [00:24:20] What are you going to say, Paul, because I know what I do.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:23] Oh.
Paul Scheer [00:24:24] I said like this. I said to June, I said, I like doing laundry. And she’s like, You like doing laundry? And I was like, Yeah. And she walked away.
June Diane Raphael [00:24:38] I’ve never been so disturbed.
Paul Scheer [00:24:39] Such disgust.
June Diane Raphael [00:24:43] People who say they like doing domestic work and doing these household tasks. Like, I find I do think there’s something a little off about you.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:51] But do you mean do did you mean it in regard too, like. Because I would say I like doing laundry more than the dishes, like in terms of chores ranked.
June Diane Raphael [00:25:02] It wasn’t.
Paul Scheer [00:25:03] Yeah, I like doing the laundry.
June Diane Raphael [00:25:05] Period.
Paul Scheer [00:25:06] I like laundry. It’s fun.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:08] I tried to get it. I try to get to go to go to the movies the other night and you’re like, I’ve got a load of whites in.
June Diane Raphael [00:25:15] Don’t get me started. Like when we go on a vacation. He’s barely in the hotel room. He’s barely arrived at the place we’re about to go to.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:21] Finding a laundromat?
June Diane Raphael [00:25:22] He’s starting to load.
Paul Scheer [00:25:24] Got to get a load in.
June Diane Raphael [00:25:25] What could we be laundering?
Paul Scheer [00:25:27] Well, Jason and I had this debate just the other day. You weren’t a part of this. It was part of last looks.
June Diane Raphael [00:25:33] Okay.
Paul Scheer [00:25:33] All right. And we can maybe throw it out to the crowd. Casey, I’d like you to be an impartial. I won’t tell you the side of it. If you are packing for your children on a seven day vacation, how many pair of pajamas are you bringing your children? Hold on, hold on. We will get to you.
Casey Wilson [00:25:53] For me, four.
June Diane Raphael [00:25:55] What?
Paul Scheer [00:25:57] And June?
Casey Wilson [00:25:58] Maybe five.
June Diane Raphael [00:25:58] Eight.
Paul Scheer [00:26:00] Eight, seven day vacation. Eight pair of pajamas.
June Diane Raphael [00:26:05] On vacation. Why would I do laundry there?
Casey Wilson [00:26:08] Because they can wear it 2 to 3 nights each.
Paul Scheer [00:26:11] And she says no! No, no. She. She looks at me like I’m.
Casey Wilson [00:26:14] From someone who doesn’t like to do laundry. That’s quite a request.
June Diane Raphael [00:26:19] I believe pajamas. And this is a fundamental difference between us. I believe pajamas are a single use wear.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:28] That’s insane.
Casey Wilson [00:26:30] If anything, they’re the most use wear.
Paul Scheer [00:26:32] Yes.
Casey Wilson [00:26:34] Of all our clothes. I’ll get a pajama top. I’ll get an undy. A week.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:41] I agree.
Paul Scheer [00:26:41] What are you doing? You’re just sleeping in it.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:42] I’ll go one step further. When I go on vacation, I pack zero children’s pajamas. Zero because I am childless.
June Diane Raphael [00:26:57] You’re doing so much.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:58] Wouldn’t it be better if I was like, 11?
June Diane Raphael [00:27:02] You’re doing so much sweating. You’re doing this so much.
Casey Wilson [00:27:07] You’re most clean you’ve ever been.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:09] The minute I get into a hotel room, boom, boom, boom, 58 degrees. I don’t sweat.
Paul Scheer [00:27:17] June is treating it like sleeping as if. Yeah, you just got done at the gym. So you take off your clothes and you pop them. Yeah, Like they’re.
Casey Wilson [00:27:23] The most clean they’ve ever been.
June Diane Raphael [00:27:24] I, I am an active sleeper, and our children have woken up a few times with like and. And come downstairs with, with, like, wet heads. They’re sleeping.
Paul Scheer [00:27:37] That’s because they’re in like flannel pajamas 90% of the year.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:43] We live in a desert climate.
June Diane Raphael [00:27:46] They look so cute in them.
Paul Scheer [00:27:50] And we’ve also had battles about this.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:52] They’re so dehydrated.
Paul Scheer [00:27:54] June wants them in very tight pajamas because.
June Diane Raphael [00:27:58] Of fires, house fires.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:01] Wait, you think loose pajamas are going to cause so much friction they’ll start a fire?
June Diane Raphael [00:28:06] If a child wakes up. No. If there’s a fire, you got to get the kids out quickly, I don’t want them to catch a flame.
Casey Wilson [00:28:12] I guess I have seen them.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:15] You think they’ll be that close to the fire?
Casey Wilson [00:28:19] I think I have seen your kids in a tighter cut. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:21] Do you have them? Do you buy? Okay. So do you buy regular pajamas, then have them tailored?
June Diane Raphael [00:28:25] No, I like them. No, I don’t.
Paul Scheer [00:28:28] Like if they’re an eight. She’s like, put them in a six or seven. She knows that she can’t defend it.
Casey Wilson [00:28:36] What?
Paul Scheer [00:28:37] This is. My, my moment. I’ve never had as many impartial judges.
June Diane Raphael [00:28:44] Thank God we’ve never been in a situation where we’ve had to rush the kids out of a burning house.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:51] Of course not. But every night they’re in too small clothes.
June Diane Raphael [00:28:54] No.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:56] Just in case.
Paul Scheer [00:28:56] My children look like sausages at night.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:58] They’re like. They’re like in all of my dreams that I’m in a spider’s web. I’m stuck in a cocoon in all of my dreams.
Paul Scheer [00:29:07] Sometimes I put on their pajamas. I’m like, [struggling noises].
Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:12] You put them on yourself?
Paul Scheer [00:29:14] What?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:15] Nothing.
June Diane Raphael [00:29:17] Just imagine them. Just imagine the entire house in flames. And like, we got to go, and I’m your grabbing a child and we’re running through flames. It could happen.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:26] Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, to me.
Paul Scheer [00:29:29] Yeah. I mean.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:30] If they’re so close, if they’re so close to the flames that a correctly sized pajama gets ignited, then they’re just too close.
June Diane Raphael [00:29:42] You guys don’t know. It’s this. If this this could be the difference between life or death.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:47] It’s not. It’s not.
Casey Wilson [00:29:49] But I’ve also never seen kids pajamas that have a bellbottom like that.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:55] It’s a don’t your kids sleep in bootcut pajamas? Low rise bootcut pajamas are back in style. Holy shit.
Paul Scheer [00:30:10] Anyway this movie Milk Money.
Casey Wilson [00:30:15] If I could say, clothing plays quite a role for me when I watch Milk Money. There’s a lot of triggering scenes where, you know, I’m just, I couldn’t help but think of the mother that passed. Like she’s rolling in her grave. Okay, okay. She’s got her son just jones’n to get the dad fucked by Melanie and just pulling out her old dresses and just giving them.
June Diane Raphael [00:30:38] I was shocked.
Casey Wilson [00:30:39] It was shocking.
June Diane Raphael [00:30:39] It was shocking. And Ed Harris. I said to Paul, this is a very disturbing moment between the two of us because we watched it together and when Ed Harris didn’t recognize that dress right away.
Casey Wilson [00:30:49] June.
June Diane Raphael [00:30:50] I was so fucking angry. And I said, Paul, if another woman walks down here, stands in front of our home, okay, with my clothes on and you don’t recognize them. And he goes, You have so many. I found it and I loved Ed Harris in this movie and I loved his character so much, except for that.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:13] He did say when told, I thought it looked familiar.
June Diane Raphael [00:31:16] But she wears them again. She puts on a different dress.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:20] Oh she wears multiple dead mom clothes?
June Diane Raphael [00:31:23] Absolutely inappropriate and weird.
Paul Scheer [00:31:24] Well, but let me ask you a question, and I’m asking this again. I’m opening myself up to a lot of ridicule here. I don’t find her outfits to be that, like, provocative, like when we’ve seen other representations of this profession. You see, like a lot of maybe leather or this.
Casey Wilson [00:31:42] I think it’s because in this movie, she’s got a body for business..
Paul Scheer [00:31:48] All right, then. All right. So that’s basically. So basically, just because.
Casey Wilson [00:31:51] She’s got that body.
Paul Scheer [00:31:53] Because like, people are look, like when she comes to the school office, she’s wearing this like it’s a fine outfit. It’s, like it doesn’t feel overtly like.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:00] But isn’t that the dead mom’s outfit?
June Diane Raphael [00:32:02] No, Jason.
Casey Wilson [00:32:04] Jason, that’s her uniform. And those are like her fatigues, like she’s in those day in, day out. Yeah, that’s just standard issue.
Paul Scheer [00:32:15] Yeah.
June Diane Raphael [00:32:15] Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:21] When she goes into the school, she’s wearing, like, a body suit. And now, like.
Casey Wilson [00:32:25] What that the dead mom’s body suit?
June Diane Raphael [00:32:25] No.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:26] And I got to be honest. Now, her clothes in the city are a blue like microdress.
June Diane Raphael [00:32:33] Love that dress.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:34] Right. Incredible.
Casey Wilson [00:32:35] Velvet.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:36] Insanely beautiful, hot, crazy. And then once she gets, then she’s got the tan overcoat, right?
Casey Wilson [00:32:42] Yeah, the trench coat.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:43] And from then on, it’s the dead mom’s clothes?
Paul Scheer [00:32:47] No, it’s only from.
June Diane Raphael [00:32:48] When the outfit, Jason, what? Jason she’s wearing. Like, almost. She’s. She’s wearing.
Paul Scheer [00:32:55] Wow this audience is surly.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:58] Noted. Team sanity.
June Diane Raphael [00:33:01] She’s wearing.
Paul Scheer [00:33:04] That’s a team Fred’er right there.
June Diane Raphael [00:33:05] Yeah she’s a very ren fair type of look in a way it’s like it’s corseted and it’s a little like olden days and.
Casey Wilson [00:33:15] She really turned heads in it. If you’ll recall, at dinner, every actor was like BOOM.
Paul Scheer [00:33:19] Well, yeah, those women in the office, they’re like, Fuck you, Like they hate her.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:24] And everybody in town, when she walks down the street in town, everybody’s like, Boom.
June Diane Raphael [00:33:30] I would have turn my head.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:31] Incredible. Incredible.
June Diane Raphael [00:33:33] Everybody’s so hot in this movie. Ed Harris has never looked better.
Paul Scheer [00:33:39] Ed Harris needs a little bit of a messy hair and an untucked shirt. I like him like that.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:44] Well, he’s got an untucked shirt right there.
Paul Scheer [00:33:46] Yeah, I like him like that.
June Diane Raphael [00:33:48] That’s not the greatest shot.
Casey Wilson [00:33:49] No, I think that’s a great pick of him.
Paul Scheer [00:33:51] What I thought was so cute. The guy who held the gun on the two children at minute 13 of the film. I thought that was so.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:01] There’s so much. There is. There’s so much. And we’re talking about it like very sweetly, like it’s a very, almost wholesome story in a lot of ways, especially because we go there is a gritty city component, but then we quickly leave it behind for an almost Pleasantville style.
Casey Wilson [00:34:19] A gal who wants to live in a sweet suburb.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:21] And so much so that we’re also participating in the nostalgia for the fifties, which is the leather jacket and the gelled hair and the sock hop at the end of the movie. But regardless, we’re still faced over and over again with these grim realities, like the guy who pulls the gun on the kids, and then one of the kids goes, You saw your sister naked in the shower? I was hiding in the laundry basket. Like, that’s also part of it.
Paul Scheer [00:34:51] My favorite two parts of this movie are the arguments between Anne Heche and Blank. Anne Heche and Casey Siemaszko in the beginning where he goes, You’re not a person. She’s kind of a person. She’s not a person. She kind of is. She’s not a person. She kind of is. And then later on with Malcolm McDowell is like, You’re not worth a bullet. And she’s like, I am, but you’re not. I am. You not. Like they let that go on so long.
Casey Wilson [00:35:21] I’m like, one person couldn’t just mix it up a little.
June Diane Raphael [00:35:25] But that’s what I loved about it. I loved, I really did. I was like, Oh, this is so weird and interesting. And to her defending not how much she’s worth, really, but just that she knows she’s worth more than a bullet. And I was like, God damn it, I loved her character. I would pay such good money to see a movie just focused on her. I was when she was dancing outside that sock hop, I’m like, this deranged nutter butter.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:54] Oh, yeah.
Paul Scheer [00:35:55] So at 14 years old, she ran away. Melanie Griffith.
June Diane Raphael [00:35:59] Yeah. Yeah. Well, we don’t get to know. That’s what.
Paul Scheer [00:36:02] We don’t get to know anything.
Casey Wilson [00:36:04] Don’t know much about Eve.
June Diane Raphael [00:36:05] We don’t know much about Eve.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:07] The movie is all about her.
June Diane Raphael [00:36:08] It is. It is.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:12] Unspooled?
June Diane Raphael [00:36:13] But I think it is. This is not Unspooled, Jason.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:16] Oh, this isn’t Unspooled?
June Diane Raphael [00:36:17] No, this is How Did This Get Made.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:18] Yeah, that’s right. This is Funspooled.
June Diane Raphael [00:36:21] I think the reason is, of course, if we were to learn more and I wonder if they cut it out, it would.
Casey Wilson [00:36:28] Get too dark.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:30] Please release the director’s cut of this movie.
June Diane Raphael [00:36:33] You know, and I. I have to imagine, because what I really didn’t understand about this movie and I loved it. And this is not a critique. This is.
Paul Scheer [00:36:40] God no. Cause we’re, we’re putting it into the AFI list that. Yeah, we don’t want to critique it tonight.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:47] I would legitimately put this in the top 5% of movies we’ve covered.
June Diane Raphael [00:36:52] Absolutely.
Casey Wilson [00:36:54] You know, it only got 12.
June Diane Raphael [00:36:57] I agree.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:58] I mean, I had intense emotional reactions.
June Diane Raphael [00:37:04] What else are we looking for from a movie? I laughed a lot too.
Casey Wilson [00:37:07] Kathleen Kennedy, like that. That nostalgic sheen that we kind of grew up with.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:14] It was amble. It didn’t have any Amblin-y stuff. It didn’t have.
June Diane Raphael [00:37:18] Paul, no one’s on your team tonight.
Paul Scheer [00:37:19] I know. And I know and I’m holding my tongue a lot. But I gotta say the big moment and you can please don’t be on my side, but not in that because I want you to be honest. But the way that they, like, go into making love with him.
Casey Wilson [00:37:34] I’m with you on this, okay? Go ahead.
Paul Scheer [00:37:36] Waxing poetically about his ex-wife, and she’s and he’s like, it’s to me it feels like he’s like, if I really focus, you’ll be her and that’s it. Because why does this kid even want her to be his mom? They don’t even know each other. She’s done nothing. At the point that he’s.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:58] Paul.
June Diane Raphael [00:37:58] Paul.
Casey Wilson [00:37:59] He’s seen her breasts.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:01] No, he has not. He’s a gentleman.
Casey Wilson [00:38:05] He’s a gentleman.
Paul Scheer [00:38:07] Eating cheetos.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:07] Frank is a gentleman.
Paul Scheer [00:38:10] I do wonder, though, what was he like connected to with her? Because maybe that’s a deleted scene.
June Diane Raphael [00:38:15] How could you not connect to her? She’s so effervescent and she still.
Casey Wilson [00:38:19] This is one of her best performances, I think.
Paul Scheer [00:38:21] Oh, yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:21] He says, So this is what it’s like. What?
June Diane Raphael [00:38:25] Don’t say it.
Casey Wilson [00:38:26] Don’t say it, Jason.
June Diane Raphael [00:38:28] I’ll cry.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:29] When he says this is what it’s like to have a mom. I was shattered. This kid gets it, this movie. That’s why I put it in the top 5%. You know what doesn’t make me cry? The rest of the movies that we do, except for the Odd Life of Timothy Green.
Casey Wilson [00:38:47] This movie works on every level.
Paul Scheer [00:38:50] But do you think, All right.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:51] If I’d seen this as a child, this movie would have felt like it was telling my story. I would have felt like this. I want that can, how does this.
Casey Wilson [00:39:01] You’re Frank?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:03] Yeah, I know. I’m a I’m a I’m a total frank. I’m not the perv watching my sister shower. And I’m not Kevin who’s like, I think having a home alone. He’s like, this movie is also almost Home Alone.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:19] Yeah.
Paul Scheer [00:39:20] Well, by the way, they do.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:21] They do a bunch of. They do a bunch of home Alone kind of. I felt like. Like side.
Casey Wilson [00:39:25] Yes, with the bad guys.
June Diane Raphael [00:39:27] Yeah. It’s interesting that we don’t get to know that much about her. And this is where I really want to tip my hat to Melanie Griffith, because we don’t get to know. We don’t understand what happened at 14. We don’t really understand why she also wants to leave over and over again. Like, I was like, This seems like a great setup. Stay here. You got clothes.
Casey Wilson [00:39:47] Got a tree house.
June Diane Raphael [00:39:50] That nice little tree house up there. Like what?
Paul Scheer [00:39:54] Well, I think that she. Because she can’t be honest with herself. Right? She’s living a lie. That’s why she wants to leave. She doesn’t want to live a lie. She wants to be Eve, not V. Eve. But to be Eve. She’s got to admit to being V.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:10] Well, no, she’s. But for a lot of the movie. For a lot of the movie, she thinks that Ed Harris knows what she does for a living.
June Diane Raphael [00:40:17] And they play that game out beautifully, that first scene. I laugh, I laughed.
Paul Scheer [00:40:21] And that’s what we’re talking about with Ed Harris. That like, whatever that likeness is, I’m like, Oh, he’s great.
Casey Wilson [00:40:28] That scene in the hands of like and I hate to put us all down up here and I and I don’t mean to, but just so sorry, but like, just a comedian, like, it wouldn’t it would have played too jokey. I thought he played it gorgeously and I didn’t mean to put you all.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:42] Why do you have to diminish us in order to.
Paul Scheer [00:40:46] No, you’re right. You’re right.
All [00:40:48] [Indiscernible]
June Diane Raphael [00:40:53] Jason and Paul in that role.
Casey Wilson [00:40:58] And you.
Paul Scheer [00:40:59] Wow. There you go.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:02] Oh, I think I could do and I could pull off an Ed Harris in this movie role.
June Diane Raphael [00:41:07] I’d like to think I could, too. I’m worth more than a bullet.
Paul Scheer [00:41:12] A Malcolm McDowell.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:18] I feel like I would only get the opportunity to play Casey Siemaszko, but boy, would I like to be Ed Harris.
Paul Scheer [00:41:26] I’d like to do one of those things that they did in that Wayan’s brothers movie, Little Man, where they put my face on a child’s body and then I would play one of the children.
June Diane Raphael [00:41:33] I do think you’re right, though, Casey. It’s that scene for her too.
Casey Wilson [00:41:37] I hate to put others down to make that point.
June Diane Raphael [00:41:39] It really was tough. I know.
Paul Scheer [00:41:42] So I’m going into Netflix. You guys get to greenlight all the movies, right? And I go, Yeah, all right. So the fun thing is.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:49] Paul, we’re big fans.
Paul Scheer [00:41:50] Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:53] Paul, we’re big fans. We’re so excited to hear what you so much to talk about.
June Diane Raphael [00:41:56] Love the podcast.
Casey Wilson [00:41:58] Do you want any water Paul? Before you start.
Paul Scheer [00:42:00] I got plenty of water. I use that little soda machine in the front. It was great.
June Diane Raphael [00:42:04] You want to get validated now or?
Paul Scheer [00:42:06] I talked to somebody out front. They had a, we got the we got the validation, so I better get going. So yeah, So when we get to the middle of the movie, we’ll have, you know, we’ll have the sex worker dress up, cosplay as the dead wife and then we’ll put the dad and the and sex worker up in the treehouse and the dad will just kind of talk about how much he loves the dead wife and he’s really not over her. And then they’ll like, Fuck that.
June Diane Raphael [00:42:33] Wait, will they fuck or make love?
Paul Scheer [00:42:35] Oh, sorry, make love.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:37] Cause here’s the thing. Here at Netflix, we’re not interested in fucking. We’re interested in making love.
Paul Scheer [00:42:44] But I mean, that is like what happens. Like, I guess I just feel like Ed Harris isn’t over the loss of his wife.
Casey Wilson [00:42:51] He he just has never dealt with it. Because he’s put the photos up in the, you know.
June Diane Raphael [00:42:56] I agree.
Casey Wilson [00:42:58] She’s giving him a window to to get at it.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:01] She’s pulling both of these people out of the absolute devastation and heartbreak and grief and loss that they are in. She is a lifeline for both of them.
June Diane Raphael [00:43:12] It’s true. It’s hard to say. I mean.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:13] Unless our hands, it would have been in insufferable movie.
Paul Scheer [00:43:16] I would argue that most people who saw this felt it was an insufferable movie.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:21] Wrong. These people are wrong. Just keep in mind, you’re agreeing with Paul.
Casey Wilson [00:43:30] What?
Paul Scheer [00:43:30] 12% on the tomato meter.
Casey Wilson [00:43:36] But I think those numbers are often three of the four of us are in love with it.
June Diane Raphael [00:43:40] I know.
Paul Scheer [00:43:41] People are watching and they’re trying to connect. Look, I’ll go there. Yes, I agree. Ed Harris is great, but there are some things that are fucked up here. Okay, There. We’re not talking. We are like a family like that. I once told that there was a member of my family that they kept in an attic and then when. Iwas like wait, what? They’re like, yeah, we never talked about her. That’s weird. But we like that’s like the kind of stuff that’s going on.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:06] Name like six crazy things that happen in this movie. Money where your mouth is, Paul. Like, what do they let the kids drive a car? One working the steering wheel, one the pedals, and then the steering wheel pops off? Then they’re almost like both two twin big rigs and then a train?
Paul Scheer [00:44:32] How about this moment where Melanie Griffith talks to three 12 year olds and says, take off your shirts. Oh, oh, good. You’re not hairy enough to be dangerous.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:40] Yeah, and there was.
Paul Scheer [00:44:44] You you were you were concerned? 12 year olds?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:47] If I’m that cab driver, I’m reporting that.
Paul Scheer [00:44:51] The car driver was reacting like I was.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:53] That is the part they would give me in this movie.
Casey Wilson [00:45:00] I would have been the wife of the guy who had slept with Melanie Griffith.
June Diane Raphael [00:45:04] I felt the same thing, Casey. I was like, that’s my role. There it is.
Paul Scheer [00:45:08] By the way, another thing that happens that someone in this town is actively using like, like is, has a little black book is like, oh, and we get the.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:18] We get a scene where he, an individual scene, where he, Kevin’s dad.
Casey Wilson [00:45:23] We went home with him.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:25] Creeps out of bed, peeks of his wife is asleep.
June Diane Raphael [00:45:28] It was shocking.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:29] Tip tip the calls the calls the escort service and bitches them out because Melanie Griffith is inexplicably in his town. Hey, control this woman. She’s in my town.
Paul Scheer [00:45:43] And by the way, the escort service is just Anne Heche. But yet Anne Heche and Casey Siemaszko work for Malcolm McDowell, who works for Jimmy.
Paul Scheer [00:45:53] Everybody’s got a boss, Paul.
June Diane Raphael [00:45:56] Did you not learn anything?
Paul Scheer [00:45:57] In that moment, though? Why does that man get out of the bed and then redo the sheets as if he was never there? To what end is it? Who is he tricking? His wife and him clearly went to bed together.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:13] He goes downstairs to make a call. If she wakes up, he wants her to think he never came to bed. Instead of, I was just having diarrhea.
June Diane Raphael [00:46:23] I found it fascinating, though, to your point, Jason, about what this movie tackles like to have gone home with this gentleman, to have also seen the moment where his son realizes, yeah, after his dad is such a hard ass and so particular about this and not that his dad is cheating on his mom.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:40] Dad is a liar.
June Diane Raphael [00:46:41] And is a liar.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:42] And the kid goes full pig pen. He does this kid pig pens himself. In act three, I mean, Kevin does the the third kid in the crew has a full arc.
June Diane Raphael [00:46:56] He really does.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:58] In act three. And he goes full pig pen.
Casey Wilson [00:47:00] You know who I also loved was the actress that Frank ends up with.
June Diane Raphael [00:47:04] I did too.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:05] Incredible.
June Diane Raphael [00:47:06] Incredible. I did too.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:06] The little Brunet who’s fantastic.
Casey Wilson [00:47:08] And she’s wonderful.
June Diane Raphael [00:47:09] I didn’t understand or I didn’t see the lead up to that. I was really shocked.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:15] Oh, it’s in there.
Casey Wilson [00:47:16] It’s in there.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:17] She is pining for him.
June Diane Raphael [00:47:18] She wanted him. I didn’t see it from his eyes.
Casey Wilson [00:47:22] I felt like through Frank’s eyes. So Frank isn’t get, isn’t noticing her the same way the blond isn’t noticing him, but really he is noticing her.
June Diane Raphael [00:47:31] So what I thought or what I was hoping for was that what Frank was learning through his father really connecting emotionally with V was that it was more important to see someone’s heart first.
Casey Wilson [00:47:47] I think that is right.
June Diane Raphael [00:47:48] Is right? Okay.
Paul Scheer [00:47:50] I got it.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:50] Meanwhile, meanwhile I only have eyes for you is playing right. Like it’s the sock hop. I mean, incredible song, devastating song. He gives the leather jacket to the blonde, right? And then he asks the brunet to dance. And I start sobbing. And I write in the thing, all caps and exclamation points. HE CHOOSES THE BRUNETTE!
Paul Scheer [00:48:16] We need to get you all in the therapy.
Casey Wilson [00:48:17] You identify with the brunette?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:48:20] Of course, I’ve identifying with the brunetet. Ah, Never picked. Ugh, come one.
Paul Scheer [00:48:26] Then a gunfight breaks out when a British man runs in there. Again, if you eliminated everything. 47% in this movie. Yeah, There’s maybe some moments.
June Diane Raphael [00:48:39] What does your dad say? Don’t worry about that.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:48:41] Yeah. You know where else I think. Here’s another moment I cried at. Another moment I cried at Ed Harris again, just incredible performance. But I really want to give it up to this kid, too, because when Ed Harris says she’s a Grace Kelly, isn’t she? About Melanie Griffith to his son? I was like, And he’s like, Yeah. I was like, Sobs.
Paul Scheer [00:49:01] She’s not. She’s not a Grace Kelly.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:49:04] Neither was the mom. Neither was the mom.
Paul Scheer [00:49:07] Why do they have to be a Grace Kelly? Can it be like my wife, my beautiful wife.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:49:12] Like, Borat? You want it to be Borat?
Paul Scheer [00:49:16] The person I want, she looks enough like her that I will marry her. And then this person, by proxy, it’s like a little weird.
June Diane Raphael [00:49:26] No, no, no.
Paul Scheer [00:49:26] But like, I want to keep.
Casey Wilson [00:49:28] It’s so hard to break from Paul, given the last show I was at.
Paul Scheer [00:49:34] Isn’t it weird audience? [Cheers] Thank you.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:49:36] Wait.
Casey Wilson [00:49:38] Can you raise your hand if you didn’t like it? I just.
Paul Scheer [00:49:43] Wait, hold on. Who is on my side? [Cheers]
Jason Mantzoukas [00:49:47] Can we get house lights? Now, who’s on the right side?
Paul Scheer [00:49:54] Very few.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:49:54] Okay.
Paul Scheer [00:49:54] One fourth.
June Diane Raphael [00:49:57] Not totally.
Paul Scheer [00:49:58] One fourth.
Casey Wilson [00:50:00] A few of them are more with Paul.
June Diane Raphael [00:50:01] I would love to drill down on the numbers and the data a little bit more.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:05] I will say for those listening. It is the beautiful people who agree with us.
Paul Scheer [00:50:11] Majority rules baby.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:13] I watched it and I was like, Why are we doing this?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:16] This might be a moment for me to go out here with my people.
Casey Wilson [00:50:19] Jason, I wonder that too.
Paul Scheer [00:50:21] Let’s see what they have to say because maybe they have a point of view. Yes. Okay, sir. How you doing? All right, what’s your question?
Audience Member [00:50:28] So assuming that they’re together at the end of the movie, two of his friends, his best friends have seen his mom’s breasts, and one of their dads has had sex with him. That’s a really.
Casey Wilson [00:50:40] Literally never thought of that.
June Diane Raphael [00:50:41] I never thought of that, but what I.
Paul Scheer [00:50:43] Boom.
June Diane Raphael [00:50:44] What I loved. No, not boom.
Casey Wilson [00:50:49] You guys are so caught up in details.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:50] You know what, though?
June Diane Raphael [00:50:51] Who cares?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:54] In small towns like like this, that’s the shit that’s going on, man. If you ask around in your friend group here in Los Angeles. Who here, who’s with someone that they’re in love with, has fucked one of that person’s friends.
Paul Scheer [00:51:11] One hand. One hand.
Casey Wilson [00:51:15] One hand this man has put up.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:16] This is a hero.
June Diane Raphael [00:51:18] And here’s what I’ll say. And this is why I love Eve so much, is that she’s not trying to be his mom. In fact, she says multiple times, I’m not your mom.
Casey Wilson [00:51:26] I’m a friend of the family.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:27] I mean, she’s behaving in a way that if she was, his mom would be truly insane.
June Diane Raphael [00:51:31] That’s what I’m. But but she’s not.
Paul Scheer [00:51:33] He doesn’t even know what his mom is. He has no time with his mom.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:39] Paul, he’s learning. He says, so this is what it’s like to have a mom.
Paul Scheer [00:51:44] But then she is his mom.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:46] No.
Paul Scheer [00:51:49] Tell me why I am right.
Audience Member [00:51:51] I mean, aren’t there laws against what’s going on in this movie? For a reason?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:56] Name them. Name those laws. Name them.
Paul Scheer [00:52:00] He’s right. There are laws.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:03] She’s not fucking this kid.
June Diane Raphael [00:52:05] No, and not only that. Okay.
Paul Scheer [00:52:09] She considers it. That’s what we’re not talking about. When he said teach my son how to fuck, she’s like, Okay, I guess I’d rather fuck you, but I guess I will teach your son how to fuck.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:21] She doesn’t teach his son how to fuck.
Paul Scheer [00:52:23] She thinks about it.
Casey Wilson [00:52:25] Yeah, I forgot that, too.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:30] You’re making this seem gross, and it’s wholesome.
Audience Member [00:52:36] Okay, so. So, first of all, team laundry. Second of all, we haven’t talked about the classroom scene, about teaching the sex.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:45] Okay, Now this is weird. I agree with this.
Casey Wilson [00:52:54] We’re not that insane.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:56] A bridge too far.
Paul Scheer [00:52:58] But here’s the thing.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:59] Here’s my problem with it. If I may. My problem with this scene is Frank is failing this class. He needs this presentation to pass. But he does it all with Melanie Griffith in the room and the teacher’s locked outside?
Paul Scheer [00:53:17] I would argue that what he is doing is of presentation is incredibly like safe and sanitary. Like he’s not doing anything.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:27] Are you worried it’s not sanitary?
Paul Scheer [00:53:29] Well, I mean. I mean, clean like like it’s like. It wasn’t like he got in there and taught them how to fuck, like, which is what that scene should have been. But what.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:42] Paul, expand on that. What do you mean? Expand on that?
Paul Scheer [00:53:46] What I’m saying is they treat it. They treat that scene where he locks the teacher out like, oh, I’m now going to give you guys something the teacher doesn’t want you to know. And what he does is just do a straight up biology report with a human subject who’s in a leotard. Like, those.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:07] But the kids are thrilled.
Paul Scheer [00:54:10] But like, what I’m saying is, there’s nothing.
Casey Wilson [00:54:12] But it was a whose benefit is this for? He needs the grade.
Paul Scheer [00:54:16] He needs the grade and that would have got him.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:17] I agree this scene, genuinely makes no sense. Makes no sense. It really doesn’t.
Paul Scheer [00:54:24] Because she should have been teaching them how to fuck.
Paul Scheer [00:54:30] There are.
Paul Scheer [00:54:30] I’m not saying that I want that.
Casey Wilson [00:54:31] Paul!
Paul Scheer [00:54:32] That’s like what it was.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:34] Paul, you keep coming back to that. I just want to say, the person who agreed with Paul before, Do you still agree with Paul?
Paul Scheer [00:54:40] No, no, no, no, no.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:45] Does Paul represent everyone here?
Paul Scheer [00:54:48] What I’m saying is it’s written in a way that it’s supposed to be scandalous and it yet is not. Now, look, I had a sex ed class taught by my gym teacher where he put a dildo in the shyest girl’s lunch bag. And while she, alright so. All right, I’ll back it up.
Casey Wilson [00:55:06] What?
Paul Scheer [00:55:08] So there was this very nice girl.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:55:12] I think is the kind of stuff you need to understand about how Paul receives a movie.
June Diane Raphael [00:55:18] So upset.
Casey Wilson [00:55:19] Honestly, I was. Agreed. Yeah.
Paul Scheer [00:55:21] So I went to a Catholic school, and.
Casey Wilson [00:55:27] This is why Paul had trouble with Milk Money.
Paul Scheer [00:55:31] And our head of phys ed was teaching our sex ed class, and there’s a very nice, shy girl in our class. Very shy.
June Diane Raphael [00:55:42] Oh god, this is as devastating as Milk Money. Go ahead.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:55:45] This is worse. This is worse.
June Diane Raphael [00:55:49] I’m really upset.
Paul Scheer [00:55:50] She went to the bathroom and he was like, Guys, guys, watch this. And he took out like this, like, not in a very graphic dildo, but it was like, obviously we show how to put a condom on, right? It wasn’t like something like, balls and veins. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:07] Okay. The audience doesn’t need to scream veiny. Girthy, dirty, veiny. Oh, I know we’re doing Milk Money, but try not to jerk off audience at Largo. So you’re fucking creeps.
Paul Scheer [00:56:26] He takes this like. He takes his, like, penis substitute and puts it in her lunch bag.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:32] Penis substitute.
Casey Wilson [00:56:34] Penis substitute?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:34] Okay, class, I’ll be your penis substitute. Your teacher’s out, your penis is out sick. I’ll be your penis substitute. So this. Now I’m on board for Saturday night.
Paul Scheer [00:56:48] So she comes back into class and she starts to open her brown lunch bag, and he goes, Patricia, What is this? And he then goes into our lunch bag and pulls it out like what is this? What? What do you have in your lunch bag?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:57:07] Such a cool thing. It’s so funny. I’m sure she received it the exact right way. Oh, this poor girl.
Paul Scheer [00:57:15] Now, we’re all in on it because we saw him plant it.
Casey Wilson [00:57:19] You cosigned that.
June Diane Raphael [00:57:20] Oh, God. So you didn’t speak up?
Jason Mantzoukas [00:57:28] I would have said, I’m sorry, that’s mine.
Paul Scheer [00:57:31] And then he went like this is like, I’m just joking with you. I put that in there. All right. Now, moving on to chapter two.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:57:41] Now, that’s how he learned about sex.
June Diane Raphael [00:57:45] Listen. Well, here’s what I’m not going to debate. There are many things that are absolutely inappropriate and against the law. And I didn’t like seeing her when even when she was teaching him dance. I didn’t like seeing her dance all over him. I didn’t like it. I didn’t like it. And I you know, but I actually.
Casey Wilson [00:58:04] I thought it was kind of creative with the thumbs.
June Diane Raphael [00:58:07] That part of the dancing I loved. When she danced over him in her skirt.
Casey Wilson [00:58:13] It’s crazy.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:58:14] But he closes. He does this again.
June Diane Raphael [00:58:17] But that’s great for him.
Paul Scheer [00:58:19] Drop dead Fred looked up his mom’s skirt. Anyway. Anyway.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:58:22] Drop dead Fred wasn’t a real character.
June Diane Raphael [00:58:25] Absolutely.
Paul Scheer [00:58:26] Seems like he was.
June Diane Raphael [00:58:27] Yeah. Let’s not do this right now.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:58:29] I will go into this if you. Do not start.
Paul Scheer [00:58:31] Your question.
Audience Member [00:58:33] Hello. My name is Melissa. My question is. Well, we’ve already touched on the fact that there was the kid hiding in the hamper and saw his sister naked in the shower. There seemed to be a few other incestual undertones, like when they said that Melanie Griffiths character was Ed Harris’s sister and then they the family was watching them from outside. And the mom was like, I wish you two would be close like that. I’m so just curious waht your thoughts on that are.
June Diane Raphael [00:59:02] Honestly, I saw it and I heard it. Casey also has a very close relationship with her brother.
Casey Wilson [00:59:13] Oh my god, June!
Jason Mantzoukas [00:59:14] Is that why you like this movie? Is that why you like this movie, because of the sibling relationship depicted by Ed Harris and Melanie Griffith.
Casey Wilson [00:59:22] My husband says my brother and I have the biggest will they, won’t they?
June Diane Raphael [00:59:27] Exactly. It’s weird.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:59:30] I have heard you say about your brother that he’s your lobster.
June Diane Raphael [00:59:35] It’s weird. So I also, I’m very sensitive to that, especially with siblings. I don’t like it. Okay. But what I, what I appreciate about this movie and that scene in particular, the ice cream shop, which, you know, V will come to buy with $250,000. She’ll also buy a convertible and all of the wetlands.
Paul Scheer [00:59:57] It was 1994. You could get a lot.
Jason Mantzoukas [00:59:59] How much do the wetlands cost?
Casey Wilson [01:00:00] Yeah I was like the wetlands are $3,000.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:00:04] Ed Harris, sell your house.
Paul Scheer [01:00:06] By the way, kids, sell that porn. Buy your dad the wetlands.
June Diane Raphael [01:00:10] No one else cared about the wetlands except for him and V.
Paul Scheer [01:00:14] That was a cute moment when he tied himself to his own truck. I really enjoy that moment.
June Diane Raphael [01:00:19] Oh, sweet. I love him so much, but so I’m sensitive to that. I don’t like those kinds of jokes. I’m not, you know, not interested, but.
Casey Wilson [01:00:29] Seems like you do on a bunch of occasions.
June Diane Raphael [01:00:32] But in that scene, I actually was like, they kept on cutting back to that family, watching them almost make out, almost make out, make out. And I was like, Wow, this is what’s so special about the movie, the amount of time they took.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:00:45] Yes.
June Diane Raphael [01:00:46] With those reaction time and that scene developing, because it wasn’t just like a gross out reaction shot of like ewww, you know, it was like.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:00:55] It’s builds. It’s a joke. It’s a good bill. Because what I liked about that was, yes, of course, there’s an incest joke. I did not like the incest joke about the kid watching his sister in the shower because that is.
June Diane Raphael [01:01:05] I didn’t care for that one bit.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:06] That’s like straight up creepy stuff. Right? But this is a misunderstanding because of a miscommunication and a lie. They think these are brother and sister and then the step by step. Well, are you sure it isn’t sister, brother in law or sister in law? And then they start. I want you to make that. I thought that was.
June Diane Raphael [01:01:24] And we also get to, we get some backstory on that random family that these siblings are struggling.
Paul Scheer [01:01:31] By the way, I want to bring our attention to something or I don’t want to bring it, but I will say that I’ve noticed. But you haven’t raise your hand until now. Or at least I didn’t see it. We’ve had last night and tonight, two wonderful babies here in the audience. And I saw you all last night people said, Oh, you missed them. I said, Well, I didn’t want to call attention to it, but now you’ve raised your hands. I feel like I can go over.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:50] The baby rasied its hand?
Casey Wilson [01:01:55] Milk Money is for everyone.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:57] Guys, the babies. I have an update. Are so little.
Paul Scheer [01:02:00] These are the littlest, cutest babies.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:02] How little are they?
Paul Scheer [01:02:04] How cute that, they might be the cutest babies we’ve ever had at a live show.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:07] Oh, my God. I want it. Can I have one? You’ve got two.
Paul Scheer [01:02:12] Well, I know you raise your hand, but how old are these babies?
Audience Member [01:02:15] They’re four months old.
Paul Scheer [01:02:17] Four months. And they are cute. And they are twins.
Audience Member [01:02:20] Yes, They’re twin girls. And this is Evan Jane and her sister, Elliot.
Paul Scheer [01:02:25] Oh, my.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:27] Evan and Elliott? Can I have one of them, which ever one you don’t want?
Paul Scheer [01:02:30] Can’t get over how cute these babies are, like blowing the blowing the roof off of cuteness here. All right, so what is your question?
Audience Member [01:02:39] Well, first, I just wanted to tell June that one of our twins is named after you. We.
Paul Scheer [01:02:51] June, you got to get down here and check out this baby. You got to check out this baby.
Casey Wilson [01:02:56] We need to take charge and we need a picture.
June Diane Raphael [01:03:04] Paul, you weren’t lying, they’re absolutely beautiful.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:08] Steps here. There’s steps right here.
June Diane Raphael [01:03:11] Elliott June?
Casey Wilson [01:03:16] Tonight’s too much.
June Diane Raphael [01:03:20] I love. I love you, too. Oh, my gosh. Paul.
Paul Scheer [01:03:25] It’s a pretty insane sight.
June Diane Raphael [01:03:27] Give me another baby.
Paul Scheer [01:03:29] Get out. Get out of here. Get out of. Go visit these babies.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:35] Wait. And so. So just. Just for clarity sake. Neither of them is named after me? I mean, I mean, I’m on record as loving babies.
Paul Scheer [01:03:49] This has been an amazing, beautiful moment, but do you have a question? I want to make sure I get your question, if you have one.
Audience Member [01:03:54] We had a lot of conversations about this movie having like having four month old twins. And I was wondering, June, if you were to pass on, God forbid, and go to the big stage in the sky and Paul somehow found himself in this situation, What would what would you hope he would do?
Paul Scheer [01:04:13] By the way, this is a great question. And by the way, something that June and I talk about a lot. We do.
June Diane Raphael [01:04:20] What was the question?
Paul Scheer [01:04:23] If you were to pass away, what do you want me to do? Would you like me to be in this situation?
June Diane Raphael [01:04:26] So it’s interesting. I actually did think well, we did talk about the clothes. I would say it now. No, I’ll put it down, you know, for eternity. And in this podcast. And we all can hold Paul accountable. I want Paul to move on very quickly and find someone else.
Paul Scheer [01:04:46] She says it very quickly. And I told June, die alone.
June Diane Raphael [01:04:50] I do. Here’s what I want, though. It’s like a full, I want a celebration. I want so much fanfare around the passing. And then I would like Paul, too. He he knows he has my blessing, but just put away my clothes.
Paul Scheer [01:05:06] You don’t have to clap for that.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:08] But so what you’re saying is you’re fine with him moving on as long as he doesn’t dress her in your clothes. In some sort of weird, cosplay of you.
Paul Scheer [01:05:20] And as long as I keep my children in tight pajamas.
June Diane Raphael [01:05:22] As long as you keep the kids the tight pajamas. And I would like a number of pictures up. I didn’t like that he kept all the pictures of her away. That felt really wrong. I would like a couple wonderful approved photos.
Casey Wilson [01:05:35] Oh, God.
June Diane Raphael [01:05:38] And then live your life. Life is for the living.
Casey Wilson [01:05:42] Wow that’s very generous.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:43] I would love if your will was just like, These are the approved photos.
June Diane Raphael [01:05:47] That’s such a good idea, I’m going to do it tonight. Thank you Jason.
Casey Wilson [01:05:53] Honestly. Thank you, Jason.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:56] Guys. You’re welcome.
Paul Scheer [01:05:57] Go back out here. Go. One more question. Where we got?
Audience Member [01:06:00] Ed Harris was fully ready to go to jail. Who was going to watch Frank?
Paul Scheer [01:06:04] Oh, great question, Ed Harris.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:07] Here’s the deal. If you don’t mind me saying, here’s the deal. Frank’s been basically on his own this whole time. Ed Harris is barely a parent.
Paul Scheer [01:06:16] But by the way, also has no family like no aunts, no anything. It seems like.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:22] I would argue Frank is in many ways raising Ed Harris. Ed Harris feels to me.
Paul Scheer [01:06:30] That’s a better title, Raising Frank.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:35] Is it?
Casey Wilson [01:06:37] Yes, the title is interesting.
June Diane Raphael [01:06:39] I think title is unsettling.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:42] It’s it’s unfortunately sexual for how much the movie is based around boobs.
Casey Wilson [01:06:49] Yeah.
Paul Scheer [01:06:50] Milk Money plays no part of the story because.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:54] Yes, it does. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You said Milk Money is in no way part of this movie except for when they say Milk Money?
Paul Scheer [01:07:06] But Milk Money is like, not even, like they didn’t sell milk to go see a woman’s breasts.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:12] Okay, wait a minute. Milk Money doesn’t refer to the selling of milk. It’s the money you’re given to buy milk at school. And these kids are buying porno with it, and they’re giving these guys their Milk Money. Like, Hey, give me your milk money is what a bully says.
Paul Scheer [01:07:29] Right, Right.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:29] Not the money you made selling milk. Hey. Hey, dairy man. Give me your Milk Money. However, much you’ve made selling that pasteurized.
Paul Scheer [01:07:40] I was. I was a milk attendant.
June Diane Raphael [01:07:45] Attendant?
Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:47] What does that mean?
Casey Wilson [01:07:49] We’re back in school?
Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:50] I wish I was presently milk attendant.
Paul Scheer [01:07:54] All right. So I would go into the milk locker and then I would say alright.
Casey Wilson [01:07:59] Milk locker?
Paul Scheer [01:08:00] A big giant freezer. Our refrigerator. And I would go, okay, so Mrs. Meyer’s class, they need 12 milks because 12 kids paid for that. And then I would Boom-Boom and then I would the stack of milk crates and then bring them to different classes.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:12] That’s what I call opening someone’s bra. Entering the milk locker. Hear me out.
Paul Scheer [01:08:21] But one of the things about being a milk attendant is you could shave some money off the top.
June Diane Raphael [01:08:31] Paul! Wow.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:33] Do you know the statute of limitations is up? You’re skimming off big milk?
Casey Wilson [01:08:40] How much?
Paul Scheer [01:08:42] Because every one was a dollar a milk. And so they would put it in the thing and then you’d have all that cash.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:46] Now, I understand how you misunderstood the title of the movie, because for you, Milk Money is something very real.
Paul Scheer [01:08:55] Yeah.
[01:08:56] As a milk attendant going, going into the milk locker and skimming off the top of milk sales. You some sort of milk? This is some sort of milk embezzlement scheme. You’re the Michael Milken. Come on. The Michael Milken of Long Island.
Paul Scheer [01:09:23] I can walk away with a few bucks in my pocket and free milk. Chocolate milk, by the way, because you could have chocolate or regular. And I take the chocolate for myself.
June Diane Raphael [01:09:34] Wow and you’re lactose intolerant. Is this why?
Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:41] You’re the Henry Hill of your school’s milk. You’re like, just a little taste off the top.
Paul Scheer [01:09:47] When I went to school, so my dad worked in a pharmacy, and I realized very early on that I said to my dad, there’s a can you order like a like a case of bubble tape and all these gob stoppers, and I would bring them in and sell them in my school, out of my locker, I would sell. Oh yeah, yeah. I had wholesale candy in there and everyone would come. Boom, boom, boom. And, you know, you get like, a whole thing, a bubbletape for 12 bucks.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:10:15] Your childhood is like one of the kids in the movie. Which makes me confused why you don’t like the movie.
Casey Wilson [01:10:21] Triggering him.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:10:24] Is it too close to home?
Paul Scheer [01:10:25] Well, then I also made deals with this kid on my bus that said his dad kept all of his porn in his locker and I would give him money and then he would free the porn. Then I would able to distribute that porn to other people.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:10:36] What? What are you talking about?
Casey Wilson [01:10:42] Paul, I think you have a lot of frank-like quality.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:10:45] This is your life story.
Paul Scheer [01:10:48] I did bring my friends in New York City one time. We went to show worlds with fake IDs.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:10:56] Show World is the strip club.
Paul Scheer [01:10:59] And I went there as a 12 year old.
June Diane Raphael [01:11:02] Paul.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:02] And you had a fake I.D.?
Paul Scheer [01:11:04] Well, you went to the store and you got an NYU I.D. and it said, I was a college student but I was only 12. And then you showed it to the people at Show World and they would let you in. I think they knew I wasn’t in college, but.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:15] Oh, you think? Yeah, think I like that. There’s a little there’s. You’re not quite sure.
Casey Wilson [01:11:21] I was chewing on my bubble tape.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:23] I think they knew I was 12.
June Diane Raphael [01:11:25] Selling gobstoppers
Paul Scheer [01:11:26] There was, there was a moment where I was walking around show world as a 12 year old and this woman approached me and she said, You want to watch me take a shower? And I said, No.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:41] Paul, this movie is your life. Did you did you sign away life rights?
Casey Wilson [01:11:47] Is that why you’re mad you didn’t make a cut?
Paul Scheer [01:11:50] I just feel like you could have gotten some better moments in there. And I remember that moment because I was like, I don’t want to, I don’t want to watch you take a shower. So I’m going to wait outside show world. And I hung outside show world and talked to the bouncer for a long time. While my two other friends were doing whatever they were doing.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:12:07] Watching someone take a shower probably.
Paul Scheer [01:12:09] But before we got to show World, this guy was like, You want to, like, meet up? This is crazy. Like, do you want to meet a sex worker and we were like, Yeah. And he started to lead us down an alley. And at that point.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:12:23] This is your life. It’s, by the way, I just want to go on record. We are two hours into the show. And only now are you in advertently admitting and realizing this is your life story on film.
Paul Scheer [01:12:40] I did not put it all together. And as you know, and as we were walking down that alley, I said, This is bad, let’s go. And then the guys, where are you guys going? Where are you guys going? Like, we’re going to get out of here. And I pulled my friends out and then we went to show World. Yeah.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:12:53] The only difference is he didn’t have a gun like this guy did.
Paul Scheer [01:12:56] He might have. We didn’t go down far enough down the alley. All right. I feel like.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:13:02] Will you just let Tim ask us questions?
Paul Scheer [01:13:06] Tim kept his hand up the entire time knowing that we were coming to the end. Tim, what do you got?
Audience Member [01:13:11] I’m a school teacher, and whoever wrote this movie has no idea how school works. The dance has zero security. You aren’t allowed to leave your students alone to take a phone call.
June Diane Raphael [01:13:23] But what about in 1994?
Audience Member [01:13:25] Yeah, well, I can’t speak to that.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:13:27] In 19, when I was a kid, I mean, it was pretty free.
Paul Scheer [01:13:30] Pittsburgh. It’s Pittsburgh.
Audience Member [01:13:34] And she says that he needs to pull his grade up by giving an oral presentation with visual aids and footnotes?
June Diane Raphael [01:13:42] How do you give footnotes during?
Audience Member [01:13:44] That’s what I’d say.
June Diane Raphael [01:13:45] Yeah.
Casey Wilson [01:13:47] I thought where we were heading with the class was that he was failing math.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:13:51] Same.
Casey Wilson [01:13:52] And I was like oh, actually V is great at math, and we’re actually going to come around to the fact we’re not buying an ice cream story. She’s like, I’m going to start tutoring.
Paul Scheer [01:14:01] I would it would be great.
June Diane Raphael [01:14:04] And here’s where the movie is limited, right? Like, we don’t get to understand is what her goals are beyond motherhood or beyond just sort of like suburbia, if she has any other interests. And so I’m wondering that. The whole movie and then come to find out she’s purchased an ice cream shop. And I was like, Wow, I wouldn’t have. I didn’t know.
Casey Wilson [01:14:24] Yeah. Did they have them? Like at one point was she like one day or anything?
June Diane Raphael [01:14:29] No. I think she just.
Paul Scheer [01:14:32] She also, by the way, this movie is crazy. She drives off at the end without the dad and the son.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:14:38] She’s like, because she’s like, I’ll see you later. And they’re like, Are we going to see you again? But she’s like, well I own the ice cream shop.
June Diane Raphael [01:14:46] But that’s what I loved about the ending. Was it, they, we didn’t end on them together.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:14:51] But they are. They are. The presumption is they will be.
June Diane Raphael [01:14:54] However, however.
Casey Wilson [01:14:56] We’re going to rewind and kind of restart.
June Diane Raphael [01:14:58] She needs to restart her life. And I thought that was such a powerful choice.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:03] So radically undercut by the last line of the movie, which is from Frank. It is repeated twice and is “I have a hair. I have a hair.” And the last line of the movie is dangerous. He rips his shirt open as if he can feel it growing.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:24] She drives over and he’s like, it’s happening.
Paul Scheer [01:15:30] Watching his dad get fucked, gives him like, makes them go through puberty.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:34] She bought the wetlands. I write here. She bought the wetlands. She bought the ice cream shop. I’m sobbing. What is wrong with me? I wrote that in my notes.
Casey Wilson [01:15:46] But I am worried, left worrying about her finances.
June Diane Raphael [01:15:50] I totally agree, Casey. I think she blew it all.
Casey Wilson [01:15:53] I wish she was $1,000,000, you know, even for that time, I just.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:57] Well, 1994 and 94 is a quarter of $1,000,000.
June Diane Raphael [01:16:02] The great thing about sex work.
Casey Wilson [01:16:03] Not so much.
June Diane Raphael [01:16:04] I know, but she has something to fall back on.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:10] Ed Harris seems to be doing fine. They have a beautiful house. They live out in the suburbs. They’re not living in a flophouse in the city. They’re living in the suburbs in a beautiful. They’re living mad men life.
Paul Scheer [01:16:23] Medical malpractice.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:24] What’s that?
Paul Scheer [01:16:24] Medical malpractice.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:25] Because of the dead wife?
Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:27] Zoinks. Do we know that?
Paul Scheer [01:16:32] Deleted scene.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:33] Do we know that?
June Diane Raphael [01:16:34] We don’t know it. But something, something went wrong.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:40] Oh, yeah. When he says, when Frank says that she died the, at the moment of his birth at the same time he was born, that he knows that, I was like, Oh, this kid is breaking my heart.
June Diane Raphael [01:16:52] He was. Yeah, it was devastating.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:54] I just wish someone would name a baby after me.
June Diane Raphael [01:16:57] They haven’t yet.
Paul Scheer [01:16:58] But you know what? Obviously, there’s a lot of opinions here. But tonight we’re going to hear some other opinions, too. And now it is time for second opinions.
Audience Member [01:17:08] Milk, money, movie, sex, positivity, Normalize the Body. Anne Herche, R.I.P. All the critics clutching their pearls. I give it five stars. I give it the world. Oh, sex work is work. Oh. Sex traffickers are jerks. Grace Kelly. Wet Lands, Leather Jacket. Learn to Dance. Freedom from Caligula. A fresh start for a new romance. Second opinions. Here’s one from me, Certified Fresh in 2003. Oh. Oh, slut shaming hurts. Oh. Oh, what’s up, Jerks? Sex work is work. Sex Work is work.
Paul Scheer [01:18:04] Thank you, Jen Here you go. Thank you for that. All right, that’s about it. Thank you, Jen. Thank you, Leah.
Casey Wilson [01:18:13] That was amazing.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:18:14] Jen, what did you put on the microphone?
Audience Member [01:18:18] Oh, it’s a microphone condom.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:18:20] I loved it.
June Diane Raphael [01:18:22] The diaphragm.
Paul Scheer [01:18:23] Diaphragm.
Paul Scheer [01:18:25] All right. These are second opinions from Amazon.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:18:27] I noticed it because she put it just against the microphone and it got sucked right on to it. It’s how they work.
Paul Scheer [01:18:36] There are 775 total reviews. 80% are five star. Let’s get right into it.
Casey Wilson [01:18:42] 80% are five stars.
Paul Scheer [01:18:44] Right. 2% are one star. From William L. Hendrix. He writes “Cute, some funny, some serious. Melanie steals the show from Harrison Ford. Just a good, lighthearted story about how business goes.” So I just want to read that and one more time “just a good lighthearted story about how business goes.” All right. Ramona Villalobos writes this, “Was a little distracted by the children in this film attempting to render the services of a prostitute. Certainly this is not legal, but she seems to go along with it? Question Mark. And the love story between the aforementioned prostitute and one of the boys fathers but as an environmentalist myself, I was moved by the story of one man’s quixotic attempts to save a marshland from the ravages of capitalism.”.
Casey Wilson [01:19:51] Five stars.
Paul Scheer [01:19:53] “Ed Harris thrills as a man almost blindly focused on his attempts to save a precious ecosystem to the point where he ignores his own son’s longing for parental guidance and criminal activities. Very cute. And to delight the entire family. Highly recommend. Oh. One minor critique might be the udder, UDDER, lack of milk in this film.”
Jason Mantzoukas [01:20:18] Woah.
Paul Scheer [01:20:21] Five stars.
June Diane Raphael [01:20:22] You agree with that part, though?
Paul Scheer [01:20:24] I do agree. Not enough milk in here.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:20:28] Please please write a follow up, that is a follow up that is that brings this universe, that’s a Jeremy Renner movie called The Milk Locker.
Paul Scheer [01:20:38] Ha! This one is written by Ward, “very funny movie. And the acting was very realistic. There were many times when the man in the movie was saying something that was interpreted entirely differently by the female, which made for a very funny situation. The plot was very interesting and unusual.” That classic man-woman scene there. All right. So that’s what we got, people. I mean, we really broke this movie down.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:21:13] Oh, I could go for hours more.
Paul Scheer [01:21:15] $20 million budget opening weekend. 5 million. Made $18.1 million. Came in number. Came in number 80 of all the movies of 1994. Yeah. Yeah. The top three were Lion King, Forest Gump and true lies.
Casey Wilson [01:21:36] Hard year. Yeah.
Paul Scheer [01:21:38] A tough year.
June Diane Raphael [01:21:39] It’s a hard year to break through.
Paul Scheer [01:21:41] This movie did beat Street Fighter, Ghost in the Machine and Double Dragon but it was beat by the specialist, time cop, disclosure, The Shadow, Junior and Color of Night. A real banner year for How Did This Get Made?
Jason Mantzoukas [01:21:55] Incredible year.
Paul Scheer [01:21:57] Big year for us on the show and some of the titles it was in other countries. Who’ve been doing this. Choosing Mommy. That’s in Argentina.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:22:08] I’m so. Paul, I just didn’t hear you. What?
Paul Scheer [01:22:11] Choosing Mommy. That’s Argentina.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:22:14] Cool, if somebody could just isolate that and make a song out of it.
Paul Scheer [01:22:18] And in Greece, Jason, your homeland, it was called A Woman for Daddy.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:22:22] Yes. You would be shocked how often I say those exact words.
Paul Scheer [01:22:30] In Turkey, this movie was called Little Womanizer. And in Canada, this movie was called When the Kids Get Involved.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:22:46] That’s very Canadian.
Paul Scheer [01:22:49] So, I mean, I think I could tell from the way that you all speak of it, you highly recommend this movie.
June Diane Raphael [01:22:56] Yeah. Yeah. You know, again, I, there’s some scenes in the movie that should not ever be seen. You know, they shouldn’t. They should be cut. They should be animated. I don’t know what should happen, but some.
Paul Scheer [01:23:12] Is one of those scenes when he says, I want to make love?
Jason Mantzoukas [01:23:16] No, you know what one of the scenes is that like, absolutely should be like none of us should be able to watch is when the little boys are oggling, the little girls walking into school and the camera POV. That’s the shot where I was like, I this I can’t.
June Diane Raphael [01:23:34] Absolutely.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:23:35] Am I in trouble? What is, I shouldn’t be. Is this allowed?
Casey Wilson [01:23:38] Is this a trick?
June Diane Raphael [01:23:40] Yeah, it was. Again, we have to know that. You know, we have to know that that’s a part of this.
Casey Wilson [01:23:47] We have to take responsibility. And yet.
June Diane Raphael [01:23:48] And yet.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:23:49] And yet.
June Diane Raphael [01:23:50] Yet there are this movie. Really. I was really connected to the characters. I, I love that they didn’t end with her and the kid and the husband and the house. I don’t even know if she’s going to live there. I don’t know where she’s going. You know, I picture her living above the ice cream shop, and I think that’s great. I really do. And I just enjoy. I really enjoyed it. And it really spoke to me when she said, you know, what did she say about where you can touch a woman in her heart?
Casey Wilson [01:24:21] There’s a special place. That part was a weeper.
Paul Scheer [01:24:24] I cried the way.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:24:26] I cried then. I cried where she held the backpack.
Paul Scheer [01:24:28] I will argue that the reason why he goes to, he’s like, Oh, that’s where you touched a woman. He goes a touch his hearten and is like a hair.
June Diane Raphael [01:24:37] Oh.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:24:39] Oh, I bet you’re right. Yeah.
June Diane Raphael [01:24:41] But he feels it through his shirt?
Paul Scheer [01:24:43] Well, he’s like.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:24:44] Well, June. Yeah. You can always them.
Paul Scheer [01:24:46] Oh, he’s trying to. He’s trying to finger his own heart and.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:24:50] Whoa, whoa, whoa.
June Diane Raphael [01:24:50] Paul.
Paul Scheer [01:24:54] Casey, it’s been so lovely to have you back. Welcome back to the show.
Casey Wilson [01:24:58] I’m so happy to be here.
June Diane Raphael [01:25:01] It was really healing.
Casey Wilson [01:25:02] Thank you all so much for having me. It feels really good to be back and it feels like we mended some things.
June Diane Raphael [01:25:07] I think so. And I think we needed this time to heal.
Casey Wilson [01:25:09] And I want to give a shout out. This beer is incredible.
Paul Scheer [01:25:12] It was really good love. Yes. This is from our friends at the Wrong Crowd. That’s the beer company out of Chester, Pennsylvania, with their Where does the butt start? Pale Ale.
June Diane Raphael [01:25:22] I wish I could drink it.
Paul Scheer [01:25:24] And by the way, it says in the back, it says, What’s up, jerks? We got a hot tip to try out experimental hop variety. Well, that goes on to about the beer. Now, there’s a couple of references to our show, but it’s not enough for me to read the whole thing.
Casey Wilson [01:25:37] Team sanity.
Paul Scheer [01:25:38] But. But I appreciate it all. Casey, you want to tell us anything? You want anyone to do and see.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:25:44] Oh, and do you want to reconsider any of your opinions on Drop dead, Fred?
Casey Wilson [01:25:48] I don’t want to go back there, Jason.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:25:51] Fair enough.
Casey Wilson [01:25:52] I host Bitch Sesh podcast, if you like housewives and comedy, and I’m just so happy to be here. And I really feel better about you two.
Paul Scheer [01:26:01] Wow.
June Diane Raphael [01:26:02] Yeah, I feel better too.
Jason Mantzoukas [01:26:04] June and I will talk about it on our phone call later.
Casey Wilson [01:26:08] I’ll call ya.
Paul Scheer [01:26:09] We’ll be there. All right. Thank you all for coming out tonight.
Casey Wilson [01:26:12] Thank you.
Paul Scheer [01:26:17] All right. Thank you, Casey Wilson. So great to have her back. Make sure you check out Casey and Danielle’s garbage world. It’s a brand new home of bitch sesh, garbage sesh and so much more. It is an amazing new podcast empire that they are doing. Just go to Casey and Danielle’s GarbageWorld.com. That’s Casey and Danielle’s GarbageWorld.com. I bought a subscription for an entire year. I’m getting on the discord. I’m getting bonus episodes. They are absolutely amazing. Now, we talked about the tour in the last episode. How Did This Get Made going on the road. On the East Coast, we’ve added an extra date. That’s right. We’ve added actually two extra dates. I’m talking about Boston on August 8th at the Wilbur. We were at the Chevalier. We sold out. Now we’re going in town to do a show at the Wilbur. We also are right on the verge of adding a brand new New York show or maybe a New Jersey show. That’s right. If you are north of Bergen County, you’re going to want to hear this. Anyway. Keep up to date on all the tour announcements by going to HDTGM.com. But right now you can get tickets to our second Boston show. Go to the Wilbur/artist/HowDidThisGetMade. Or like I said, just go to HDTGM.com. It’s just that simple. I want you to know that we always have T-shirts, great T-shirts. And while we won’t have a t shirt of my long story about going in to Times Square, we have some great ones in our shop at TeePublic.com/stores/HDTGM. We will be back next week with all your questions on all your observations about Milk Money. Plus, Jason and I will sit down, relax and have a chat. I appreciate him filling in for me and the last Last Looks episode. And if you want to add any more thoughts, just head on over to our discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM. We will see you next week for last looks. And until then, bye. For now.
September 28, 2023
EP. 328.5 — Last Looks: Jonathan Livingston Seagull
Paul and Jason chat about reality TV, music they’re loving, and their favorite L.A. activities. Plus, Paul digs into corrections and omissions from Jonathan Livingston Seagull, shares bonus content from the live show, and reveals next week’s movie.